While I of course have pure revulsion for the persecution and murder of homosexuals in the Islamic middle east...or anywhere else for that matter I have some sympathy for social conservatives within Islam....which is the majority of them.

I stand with the moderates in Islam in objecting to the encroachment of taught attitudes towards homosexuality that go against their religious beliefs. Their children are being taught egalitarian ideas towards sexuality when in truth none of the Abrahamic religions teach this towards sexuality and not in other areas either.

Christianity has figuratively twisted itself to provide an interpretation that suggests the current protestant approach. Anyone who has fully read the Bible knows that you need to deliberately ignore passages and highlight others to achieve this......and the important difference here is that the passages against homosexuality are specific in meaning....whereas the passages you have to highlight in support of acceptance are purely general Christian principle in nature.....not specific. In truth, teaching that homosexuality is equal isn't what any of those religions teach......So when you are teaching children from socially conservative religious families, you are going to run into conflict.

My personal attitude to homosexuality is a mixture of social conservativism mixed in with acceptance based upon both the humanistic and scientific. However, I too rebel against touchy feely 'nothing to see here' interpretations.

If your family has one son or female and they are homosexual your genetic line is.....in most cases.....coming to a genetic deadend.

People have the right not to regard that as 'nothing to see here'. The current culture which sees that as some form of evil is nearly as over the top as the attitudes that try to regard homosexuality as someone's fault or un-natural.

Edited by Stirlingsays (23 May 2019 11.09am)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

For sure, however statistically that is considerably lower. If a parent values the continuance of the genetic line they can stress that importance to their children....however, if those children are homosexual that expectation is a little misplaced and statistically less likely.

Less likely but of course I recognise that it does happen....probably more with socially conservative homosexuals who kind of think the same way.

Edited by Stirlingsays (23 May 2019 12.57pm)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

I fully understand your personal attitude. However, I suspect you would not protest or send death threats to a homosexual teacher. I suspect your attitude is to tolerate homosexuality and accept it as part of our secular society - even if you are quite Christian.
I don't want personally homosexuality or trans-genderism or similar actively promoted to children myself. I frankly believe it is confusing for them and should be within the role of parents rather than schools anyway.
In some ways, like others, I can understand Muslims disliking what they may perceive as promotion of homosexuality.
However, their problem with it is far greater than mine. I cannot agree with making homosexuality illegal or indeed punishable by death - that is ridiculous and straight out of the mediaeval period.
My concern, amongst others is caving into the extremist ideologies of mainstream Islam. This is something that has been going on for a while in Britain and perhaps the West as a whole.
In the past we got rid of the Puritans for exactly this reason. One of the reasons for Britain's greatness was the via media - the ability to escape religious conflict earlier than the rest of Europe. This allowed for rationality and ultimately science - and freedoms within our society.
Now those same, hard fought, freedoms are being undone. The more that we pander to religious zealots, the more we appease them, the more they will take. That was my point.
Facts are - where there has been high immigration, in particular of Muslims, across Europe, attacks on homosexuals and Jews have risen exponentially. Nobody is addressing this - perhaps scared of a Hebdo type attack, or perhaps scared of being labelled racist or Islamaphobe.
I say prosecute the law, find the people threatening gays, oust the rape gangs and take the issue on head first. There should be rules to adhere to in order to enjoy the benefits of Western society, in much the same way you would have to follow the rules in an Islamic society - or face the consequences. We have one rule for one, one for another currently.
If I took my kid out of school because they taught about gays and then shouted about it - imagine the reaction. I would be hung, drawn and quartered (not literally like a lot of Islamic radical punishments) figuratively speaking.

Red and Blue Army!

This will certainly put the cat amonst the pigeon5 so to speak.
As ascpfc says if it was him protesting he would get no sympathy only persecution.
We know that the curriculum will be altered to appease the minority.
Fine them and take them to court.
Let a judge decide.
When in rome and all that.

Ban male circumcision (outside of medical need) and ban halal meat.

Edited by Stirlingsays (23 May 2019 10.43pm)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

If that's the case then on this topic I fundamentally disagree with you.

If we are going to start pushing state approved ideas on homosexuality then where does that stop....and where does the right of the parent begin?

So shall we have lessons about treating ugly kids nicely. How about lessons on teaching that low IQ children are the same as everybody else?

No, responsible teaching should teach that an individual treats another individual fairly.

There should be no requirement for special groups in society to get their own prominence.

The day a school starts to 'group think' my children is the day I'll start home schooling.

It's an over stepping of the loose social contract that exists between individual and state.

Edited by Stirlingsays (23 May 2019 10.02pm)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)