I can, and I still do. But it's depressing seeing how regularly there's a "Foreigns bad, English good" style post riding high in the popular threads. As a result, I've started to come here less frequently.

Pretty much all recent migrants I’ve met are great. I was recently surprised how well some Polish are doing here, and good luck to them all. I know they’re not all living many to a house but I was surprised at HOW WELL some are doing, and that’s great, but I’m also concerned of numbers and those that don’t want to meet or engage with you, and there will be a lot that won’t want to, no matter how good you think people generally are.

In the pub last week there was a probably 50 something black lady who sounded just like the rest of us. She didn’t sound like a female version of Tinchie Stryder or the young lady on that annoying KFC advert trying to sound more ‘street’ or distance herself further from most of society, even if the advertising agency required her to, which is just as bad. I’ve seen a couple of young black men start acting up for no reason, thinking they’re not wanted in a white area. They didn’t sound street. That is frustrating, but it’s their choice.

I’d guess all of us treat people how we find them, but have an opinion on how things are or are developing. That isn’t a crime. It’s concern. Hate speech is.

The denial is a very strong part of it. Echo chambers are very dangerous. I agree it's important to challenge people to try and break down those echo chambers but it's an awful lot of effort when they are too far gone, as some here sadly seem to be. And as we've both said, it seems very odd that they come here, to a Crystal Palace forum, to air these views. It makes me wonder do they do the same in every single part of their lives?

Own a motorbike - post about immigrants in the forum.
Enjoy cooking - post about immigrants in the forum.
Bought some shoes - write about immigrants in the review on the Next website.

It's all very odd, and the denial that they've gone off-map is a huge part of the problem.

Entirely fair. Can't really disagree with any of this. I never said you can't have concerns about immigration without being far-right. Obviously you can.

Personally I don't think immigration should be one of this country's top worries but I can see some reasons it gives people concerns. That's understandable and I have no problem with people who air those concerns in a decent way.

As a newbie to the forum and an immigrant , i believe perception of generalization or terminologies triggers these debates as some find definitions offensive or usual.

For eg, it is easy for me to be offended when i read a passage like `immigrant boosts the crime` or `we have too many immigrants`. There are multiple layers / segments / profiles who are immigrant thus this definition puts and mixes all in one basket and sounds labeling.

However; from other perspective, not sure how practical it is to give a clear profile to avoid above? That will mean to give a paragraph of stats maybe while only highlighting possible impact of mass immigration on crime rates? I guess this is what deemed as political correctness and i am personally not fun of it.

Perception of generalization and terminology also impact Brexit topic and not surprisingly even FA Cup vs EPL debate in Palace forum You can be treated like you don`t care EPL because you want FA Cup or you don`t care any trophy in order to secure £100 mil pound broadcast income

I have been to several forums including football and this is a typical problem. Keyboard is cold and may sound bitter when we read and better to avoid taking so so seriously.

My 2 cents.

Edited by blackheatheagle (21 Feb 2019 4.38pm)