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View Stirlingsays's Profile Stirlingsays Flag Wisbech, England 24 Feb 19 10.33am Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

No one should be arrested for just reading from a religious book. No one is forced to listen.

I don't care who reads it and from what religion it is.

Period.

Perhaps I believe that because I'm actually on the right, like many here, and I actually believe in free speech.

Edited by Stirlingsays (24 Feb 2019 10.34am)

 

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View dannyboy1978's Profile dannyboy1978 Online Flag 24 Feb 19 10.46am Send a Private Message to dannyboy1978 Add dannyboy1978 as a friend

Isn't it ironic,
you would think that the left would believe in free speech.


 

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Pussay Patrol Flag 24 Feb 19 10.48am

Originally posted by Rudi Hedman

News is news. Unless your papers don’t like it. I just heard about the incident, googled it and quelle surprise, no left wing media wanted to bring it to the attention of the public.

or perhaps the fact it is not widely reported shows 1 particular news outlet has taken an isolated incident and applied it as though that is the general consensus so that certain people get angry and buy into these 'the world or system is against them" conspiracies because they want to either peddle a particular agenda, or just sell papers / advertising space? (or both)

It's gutter press and if you want to buy into such negative tabloid tripe to satisfy your own misery knock yourself out. It's not for me.

 


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View Stirlingsays's Profile Stirlingsays Flag Wisbech, England 24 Feb 19 10.59am Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by dannyboy1978

Isn't it ironic,
you would think that the left would believe in free speech.


Let's not forget that this guy calls himself a 'one nation Tory' and cites Macmillan....as if Macmillan would countenance a situation where someone could be arrested for reading from one of Churchill's book from a public space in England.

The left you refer to Danny was the left of my childhood......the left that believed in the first amendment....The hippies and all that stuff through to Georg Carlin and Bill Hicks.

This lot are far more authoritarian.

 

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View Wisbech Eagle's Profile Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 24 Feb 19 11.02am Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Stirlingsays


Yours is the 'wrong thinking' that lies at the heart of the problem.

You seek to justify a situation that didn't exist before where 'perception' of offence can be a legal device.

A man was arrested for reading from a Churchill book and you defend that situation while calling yourself a 'traditional Tory'. He can have a million flaws, it matters not a bit....if the land he fought for has somehow twisted itself in that state of affairs, then it isn't him who is flawed.


Edited by Stirlingsays (24 Feb 2019 10.23am)

Do you really not understand the point I made, or are you being disingenuous?

It isn't the book being quoted which is relevant, it's the choice of the words in the book that is.

I did not address the point you raise because the answer seems very obvious to me.

My answer has nothing to do with people seeking to perceive offence where none exists. Such attitudes are clearly wrong and deserve condemnation. We need to trust those whose responsibility it is to decide whether the offence is real, or not, in those circumstances. Just claiming something is offensive is no reason that it is, just as claiming that it isn't is no reason that it isn't.

 

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View Stirlingsays's Profile Stirlingsays Flag Wisbech, England 24 Feb 19 11.07am Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Do you really not understand the point I made, or are you being disingenuous?

It isn't the book being quoted which is relevant, it's the choice of the words in the book that is.

I did not address the point you raise because the answer seems very obvious to me.

My answer has nothing to do with people seeking to perceive offence where none exists. Such attitudes are clearly wrong and deserve condemnation. We need to trust those whose responsibility it is to decide whether the offence is real, or not, in those circumstances. Just claiming something is offensive is no reason that it is, just as claiming that it isn't is no reason that it isn't.

I'm happy for those using the forum who have read the discussion to decide which state of affairs they would prefer.

 

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View Rudi Hedman's Profile Rudi Hedman Flag Caterham 24 Feb 19 11.18am Send a Private Message to Rudi Hedman Add Rudi Hedman as a friend

Originally posted by Pussay Patrol

or perhaps the fact it is not widely reported shows 1 particular news outlet has taken an isolated incident and applied it as though that is the general consensus so that certain people get angry and buy into these 'the world or system is against them" conspiracies because they want to either peddle a particular agenda, or just sell papers / advertising space? (or both)

It's gutter press and if you want to buy into such negative tabloid tripe to satisfy your own misery knock yourself out. It's not for me.

One isolated incident? Universities have been drowning out debate and views that do not confirm to their’s for years. But I’m not surprised you’d prefer to ignore it’s happening.

Edited by Rudi Hedman (24 Feb 2019 11.29am)

 


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View Wisbech Eagle's Profile Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 24 Feb 19 12.26pm Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

I'm happy for those using the forum who have read the discussion to decide which state of affairs they would prefer.

That will tell us something that we don't already know won't it!!!!

Preferences are personal. The law applies to all. We all have an equal opportunity to change the law.

 

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View Wisbech Eagle's Profile Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 24 Feb 19 12.53pm Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Rudi Hedman

One isolated incident? Universities have been drowning out debate and views that do not confirm to their’s for years. But I’m not surprised you’d prefer to ignore it’s happening.

Edited by Rudi Hedman (24 Feb 2019 11.29am)

Have universities been doing that or have societies and associations based within universities been doing that?

As the latter are usually membership only organisations they can make whatever rules they like, provided they stay within the law. Many encourage opposite views to be presented and debated but in some cases they might decide that others are too extreme and don't fit their ethos. Sometimes the university itself might ban a debate on the grounds of a risk to public safety.

There is nothing to see here. It's just froth from those who feel that they should be allowed to voice whatever they like, wherever they like.


Edited by Wisbech Eagle (24 Feb 2019 1.46pm)

 

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View Hrolf The Ganger's Profile Hrolf The Ganger Flag 24 Feb 19 1.34pm Send a Private Message to Hrolf The Ganger Add Hrolf The Ganger as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Do you really not understand the point I made, or are you being disingenuous?

It isn't the book being quoted which is relevant, it's the choice of the words in the book that is.

I did not address the point you raise because the answer seems very obvious to me.

My answer has nothing to do with people seeking to perceive offence where none exists. Such attitudes are clearly wrong and deserve condemnation. We need to trust those whose responsibility it is to decide whether the offence is real, or not, in those circumstances. Just claiming something is offensive is no reason that it is, just as claiming that it isn't is no reason that it isn't.

The trouble is that the restrictions on free speech seem rather selective and designed to prevent certain sections of society from making trouble.

 

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View dannyboy1978's Profile dannyboy1978 Online Flag 24 Feb 19 1.48pm Send a Private Message to dannyboy1978 Add dannyboy1978 as a friend

The girls in this video are the by product
Of universities.
[Link]

They use free speech to openly lie about people

 

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View Wisbech Eagle's Profile Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 24 Feb 19 1.52pm Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

The trouble is that the restrictions on free speech seem rather selective and designed to prevent certain sections of society from making trouble.

I don't believe that there are any restrictions on lawful free speech. There are just those who feel that whatever they say ought not to be subject to any restrictions.

Restricting certain sections of society, whatever their political views might be, from making trouble, is a duty placed by us on those with the authority to do so.

 

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