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Originally posted by Rudi Hedman

The ginger who presents sky news.

Sarah-Jane Mee

Makes me think of Mary Jane Rottencrotch.

 


"We need to look into the Oranges". Commander In Cheat, April 2019.

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View Badger11's Profile Badger11 Flag Beckenham 07 Apr 19 3.57pm Send a Private Message to Badger11 Add Badger11 as a friend

Jeremy Corbyn has been criticised over Labour's handling of anti-Semitism allegations by the national secretary of the Jewish Labour Movement.

A classic Comment from Baroness "whitewash" in response.

"Shadow attorney general Baroness Chakrabarti has called on the group not to "personalise the issue"."

Err but if the issue is actually Jeremy Corbyn how can you not personalise it. It's a bit like Labour MPs in the 1980's being told not to blame Mrs Thatcher.

C'mon Shami at worse Jezza is pushing this anti Jewish agenda at best he is doing nothing to clamp down on it.

If I were Jewish I would certainly be personalising it.

 


One more point

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View Teddy Eagle's Profile Teddy Eagle Flag 07 Apr 19 4.00pm Send a Private Message to Teddy Eagle Add Teddy Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Badger11

Jeremy Corbyn has been criticised over Labour's handling of anti-Semitism allegations by the national secretary of the Jewish Labour Movement.

A classic Comment from Baroness "whitewash" in response.

"Shadow attorney general Baroness Chakrabarti has called on the group not to "personalise the issue"."

Err but if the issue is actually Jeremy Corbyn how can you not personalise it. It's a bit like Labour MPs in the 1980's being told not to blame Mrs Thatcher.

C'mon Shami at worse Jezza is pushing this anti Jewish agenda at best he is doing nothing to clamp down on it.

If I were Jewish I would certainly be personalising it.

Also doesnít reflect very well on her enquiry findings into the matter. The ones that found no case to answer just before she was elevated to the HoL.

 

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View Badger11's Profile Badger11 Flag Beckenham 07 Apr 19 4.49pm Send a Private Message to Badger11 Add Badger11 as a friend

Originally posted by Teddy Eagle

Also doesnít reflect very well on her enquiry findings into the matter. The ones that found no case to answer just before she was elevated to the HoL.

I didn't know she was a member on here? Sorry Shami I should have been more polite glad that you joined us.

And yes Teddy I agree the woman has no shame.

 


One more point

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View becky's Profile becky Flag over the moon 07 Apr 19 7.10pm Send a Private Message to becky Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add becky as a friend

Originally posted by Badger11

I didn't know she was a member on here? Sorry Shami I should have been more polite glad that you joined us.

And yes Teddy I agree the woman has no shame.

She's a politician, so why would that surprise you?

 

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View Rudi Hedman's Profile Rudi Hedman Flag Caterham 07 Apr 19 7.50pm Send a Private Message to Rudi Hedman Add Rudi Hedman as a friend

We now have 5 racism or immigration threads I think, plus the Brexit thread. I wish this wasnít such an issue at this present time but for various reasons this subject is bubbling away. Maybe itís time for its own tab, or maybe not.

 


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View Stirlingsays's Profile Stirlingsays Flag Wisbech, England 07 Apr 19 8.05pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

I've no doubt that antisemitism exists in the Labour party itself....However, while we can point to Corbyn and McDoughnut..I think it's more a problem around the edges of the party with some of its activists.

Mostly I regard most of the criticism directed at Labour over antisemitism to actually be anti Jewish nationalism....or what they call zionism. Some people think that these are basically the same thing and I see that argument but essentially I think there is a difference.

I have to be fair to Labour and say that this just fits in with their general opposition to nationalism.....or should I say, successful nationalism....which would be more accurate.

I say this as a nationalist myself who isn't opposed to zionism or Jews....But also as someone who recognises the injustice that the Palestinians have endured historically since a bit before and from the creation of modern Israel......I don't think it's a situation that has a happy ending.

I regard Jews as probably one of the most important groups in the world....The listing of Nobel prizes and notable people in history relative to their population size is ample proof of that......They are literally the example of successful genes through evolution in action. I certainly wouldn't want to be an enemy of theres.

However, they should be open to criticise the same as anybody else.

And the environment we find ourselves in means that they are effectively a 'protected' class.

While I'm a heavy critic of Labour and it's not exactly a secret that Corbyn is a major anti Zionist.....I find that the party itself has been subject to harsh treatment.

That said, it's hard to have much sympathy considering their stance on opponents of unacceptable elements in Islam.....where they have a conflict of interest due to their reliance on that community for votes.


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Originally posted by Rudi Hedman

We now have 5 racism or immigration threads I think, plus the Brexit thread. I wish this wasnít such an issue at this present time but for various reasons this subject is bubbling away. Maybe itís time for its own tab, or maybe not.

I think the bbs would have a literal collective stroke.

 

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View Teddy Eagle's Profile Teddy Eagle Flag 07 Apr 19 9.32pm Send a Private Message to Teddy Eagle Add Teddy Eagle as a friend

Itís disingenuous to call this anti semitism. Itís racism pure and simple.

 

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View Teddy Eagle's Profile Teddy Eagle Flag 07 Apr 19 9.54pm Send a Private Message to Teddy Eagle Add Teddy Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by becky

She's a politician, so why would that surprise you?

I take your point but sheís unelected and I have to add in a master stroke of hypocrisy sent her son to a private school at fees of more than a thousand pounds a month. So comprehensive schools are good enough for you, I went to one myself, but not for her child.

 

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Originally posted by Teddy Eagle

Itís disingenuous to call this anti semitism. Itís racism pure and simple.

You have inadvertently highlighted a problem with the 'obsession' with racism.
The anti Semitism might well be real but it is not racism. Jews are not a race. It is a religion that has caused many of its followers to adopt a form of selective breeding by only marrying other Jews.

The whole problem with 'race' is that it is a term of convenience. There are people who share genetic characteristics through isolation or selective associations but the picture is much fuzzier around the edges.
We humans like our simple identification labels so we go with Black, White, Asian etc, but that has proved to be a rather divisive trend.
That said it is equally ridiculous to ignore the differences between people to create the exaggerated impression of some sort of species homogeny. That is rather like employing genetic communism.

My issue with modern race politics is that there is a constant call for people to be 'equal' and harmonious and yet the trend is for people to rally behind their identity to gain political influence. This is a contradiction.

 

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This made me laugh,
Racism!!! Really.
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