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deleted user Flag 28 May 19 11.43pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

'No matter their sexuality'. So sorry, Word Up but when it comes to a child being reared every child has an intrinsic right to a mother and a father.

A right to a neo nazi mother and father too apparently

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It may not always be possible because real life is full of broken families.....but it's the ideal and up until the hyper advance of social liberalism on steroids it was fully recognised as the ideal.

Bingo

Quote You are a part of society which thinks it's ok to lie to children and present other alternatives as equal.

I regard you as the same as the others....a collaborator to a soft form of child abuse for that percentage of children who will grow up with resentment and feeling cheated.

On the contrary, I rather find that I support telling the truth about the realities of families that will be encountered regardless of a personal like or dislike of them.

Originally posted by Stirlingsays
So you know all this to be true do you. You trust the state entirely do you.

I don't, I've seen the state lie directly. I've seen you manipulate the truth here and twist the truth to suit the narrative you want to present.

For example, with the above. In this case I condemned the behaviour of this couple and I expressed concern for that child in their care.

Where is your mention of that? Nowhere.....It shows you lack of care for the truth of a situation. You are the kind of person who doesn't present the truth.

Edited by Stirlingsays (28 May 2019 11.15pm)

What I took from the exchange and indeed what is the reality of it, is that despite your apparent 'concern', it is a provable statement of fact that a neo nazi couple naming their baby Adolf, idolising Hitler, posing in front of swaztikas and stating that they would be willing to murder a mixed race child 'didn't meet your threshold for removing the child because no-one had been physically hurt.'

Thankfully they were later imprisoned for various crimes including researching how to make a viable bomb, so any stamp of parental approval is nul and void anyway.

..and yet, who'd have thought, despite the actions of these extremists, it's in fact me that's somehow "a collaborator to a soft form of child abuse" because I don't object to same sex couples raising a child. It's such a completely absurd stance to take, that there's really little left to say about it.

If you want to tack on some kind of laughable 'did it even happen like that' level 'government conspiracy' against this neo nazi family, then great. As I said before, you appear to be willing to give every single benefit of the doubt to a neo nazi 'family', and yet view same sex couples raising children as an act of 'child abuse'. Stormfront level debating.


 

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Originally posted by dollardays

If you want to tack on some kind of laughable 'did it even happen like that' level 'government conspiracy' against this neo nazi family, then great. As I said before, you appear to be willing to give every single benefit of the doubt to a neo nazi 'family', and yet view same sex couples raising children as an act of 'child abuse'. Stormfront level debating.

Once again, I made my concerns clear about this family.

What a manipulator and distorter like you thinks is of no concern to me.

Go and be pathetic with someone else.

 


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deleted user Flag 29 May 19 1.08am

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Once again, I made my concerns clear about this family.

What a manipulator and distorter like you thinks is of no concern to me.

Go and be pathetic with someone else.

Answered in the previous message. Zero manipulation and the distortion is yours alone. A statement of fact.

'despite your apparent 'concern', it is a provable statement of fact that a neo nazi couple naming their baby Adolf, idolising Hitler, posing in front of swaztikas and stating that they would be willing to murder a mixed race child >still< 'didn't meet your threshold for removing the child because no-one had been physically hurt.'

If you don't want people to comment on statements that you make, then don't make them. If you're going to hold hardcore and out there beliefs, be prepared to accept what they actually mean within the context of your other professed views. If they appear ludicrous positions to hold side by side... because they are.. that's not my problem.

I've spent too long talking about this, so will conclude with this. If you're angered by the idea of a kid having same sex parents, that's for you. Thankfully that's where your influence and somewhat authoritarian wishes towards these families begins and ends. At the end of the day if you want your kids to learn in school, or to be home-schooled for whatever reason, that's entirely up to you isn't it. I, for one, am not looking to stand in the way of other peoples' family arrangements.

Edited by dollardays (29 May 2019 3.23am)

 

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Originally posted by dollardays

Answered in the previous message. Zero manipulation and the distortion is yours alone. A statement of fact.

'despite your apparent 'concern', it is a provable statement of fact that a neo nazi couple naming their baby Adolf, idolising Hitler, posing in front of swaztikas and stating that they would be willing to murder a mixed race child >still< 'didn't meet your threshold for removing the child because no-one had been physically hurt.'

If you don't want people to comment on statements that you make, then don't make them. If you're going to hold hardcore and out there beliefs, be prepared to accept what they actually mean within the context of your other professed views. If they appear ludicrous positions to hold side by side... because they are.. that's not my problem.

I've spent too long talking about this, so will conclude with this. If you're angered by the idea of a kid having same sex parents, that's for you. Thankfully that's where your influence and somewhat authoritarian wishes towards these families begins and ends. At the end of the day if you want your kids to learn in school, or to be home-schooled for whatever reason, that's entirely up to you isn't it. I, for one, am not looking to stand in the way of other peoples' family arrangements.

Edited by dollardays (29 May 2019 3.23am)

You are a pathetic individual who is a manipulator and distorter of truth.

Not being keen to break up families are not 'hardcore beliefs'. This family carried out none of these threats yet have lost their child. You keep repeating stuff about what this idiotic family said and and try to give the impression I condone or support it when I don't and made no comments supporting it.

I never suggested no action on this family at all and suggested state intervention.

So you are a liar who selectively picks out comments to promote a false pathetic narrative.

All because I won't support the playing of your identity politics with five year olds. You are keen to promote same sex relationships to five year olds.

I am not.

That's it.

Now go and be pathetic with someone else.

Edited by Stirlingsays (29 May 2019 8.23am)

 


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I’m beginning to think 5 is too young, or am I? A mention of it being a thing I think at some point in primary school but not going too far with it.

 


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Originally posted by Rudi Hedman

I’m beginning to think 5 is too young, or am I? A mention of it being a thing I think at some point in primary school but not going too far with it.

It's a slippery slope, these things always are.

This is what they are doing in California where left have been in control for some time. It shows you what you have coming once you normalise this stuff.

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It's specific identity politics for about 3 to 5 percent of the population who are homosexual. The fact that we are all part of many different groups and that it's better to talk in general terms is ignored because this is activism.

I've pointed out that by preaching an equality between sexual choices and promoting a culture where no sexuality is professed as being more important than any other results in more homosexual relationships due to higher bisexuality amongst females.

Hence you have the potential for less heterosexual relationships and hence less births....which is a trend which is already a problem. The prospect of genetic deadends and higher competition for females from the remaining males.....In an environment which is already strained.

Instead this joker wants to ignore reality because they support this social engineering of children and instead distract by referring to Neo Nazis.


Edited by Stirlingsays (29 May 2019 10.48am)

 


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Is this really something only Muslims have the balls to protest about?

Where are the catholics?

Where are the Christians in general?

Where are the social conservatives of any degree who disagree with this.

 


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Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Is this really something only Muslims have the balls to protest about?

Where are the catholics?

Where are the Christians in general?

Where are the social conservatives of any degree who disagree with this.

The Muslims, by one way or another, or more probably, will dictate the world, if your opinion transpires and there’s so few births of westerners compared to several to 7 children to every Muslim couple worldwide. At least we have more fun partying while we’re here.

 


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deleted user Flag 29 May 19 12.06pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

You are a pathetic individual who is a manipulator and distorter of truth.

Not being keen to break up families are not 'hardcore beliefs'. This family carried out none of these threats yet have lost their child. You keep repeating stuff about what this idiotic family said and and try to give the impression I condone or support it when I don't and made no comments supporting it.

I never suggested no action on this family at all and suggested state intervention.

So you are a liar who selectively picks out comments to promote a false pathetic narrative.

All because I won't support the playing of your identity politics with five year olds. You are keen to promote same sex relationships to five year olds.

I am not.

That's it.

Now go and be pathetic with someone else.

Edited by Stirlingsays (29 May 2019 8.23am)

Put your toys back in the pram.

Again..

'despite your apparent 'concern', it is a provable statement of fact that a neo nazi couple naming their baby Adolf, idolising Hitler, posing in front of swaztikas and stating that they would be willing to murder a mixed race child >still< 'didn't meet your threshold for removing the child because no-one had been physically hurt.'


You said that it didn't meet your threshold for removing the child because no-one had been physically hurt.' AFTER you had expressed 'concern'. This is fact, this is reality. Anything to the contrary is a lie of yours and thinking that the child should stay with this nazi family, and to be angered by potential 'indocrination' it will receive when it's removed is indeed a 'hardcore belief'. Even now, you can barely bring yourself to call an extremist neo nazi family, with their bomb making research, and ideas about killing a mixed race child anything other than 'idiotic', and yet with a same sex arrangement agreed by those involved, it's the encouragement of 'child abuse' to you. An utterly bizarre and contorted prioritisation of empathy and child safety.


Oh and by the way, I said that teaching should be age appropriate. I haven't at any point even said that 5 year olds 'should' be taught anything, just that where they are, a threatening religious mob shouldn't be the reason that a program is stopped. It has been running for years. It's not something suddenly being thrust on this community, which is how it's presented. I objected to your overblown 'take my kids out of school' reaction, sudden complete about turn ingratiation of the religious sensitivities of this Muslim community just because you agree with them on this one issue, and absurd juxtaposition of the fact that you had previously staunchly defended the right of clearly dangerous neo nazi extremists to raise a child while having such a problem with any same sex couples doing so. Your scope for what you wish to allow or deny in both cases is extreme and your anemic sense of fairness rests on 'principles' that when it comes down to it only ever appear to apply to other peoples lives.

The narcissists stance is of course either 'right' or 'misrepresented'. Again, if you have a problem with how absurdly your beliefs sit together, that's not my problem.

If you want me to 'go away' or to 'go and be pathetic with someone else' then stop replying to me. It's not difficult.


Edited by dollardays (29 May 2019 1.49pm)

 

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Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Is this really something only Muslims have the balls to protest about?

Where are the catholics?

Where are the Christians in general?

Where are the social conservatives of any degree who disagree with this.

Yes, because most Christians, whatever their personal feelings about the practice of homosexuality, will still accept that gay people are are made in God's image and are to be loved as Christianity teaches, rather than killed as Islam requires.

 


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Originally posted by becky

Yes, because most Christians, whatever their personal feelings about the practice of homosexuality, will still accept that gay people are are made in God's image and are to be loved as Christianity teaches, rather than killed as Islam requires.

With respect Becky, the excesses of Islam are hardly something you need to express to me.

Christianity teaches no promotion of homosexuality or alternative lifestyles to a man and woman.

Jesus directly refers to man/woman relationships and no other.


Edited by Stirlingsays (29 May 2019 12.57pm)

 


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deleted user Flag 29 May 19 1.06pm

Originally posted by becky

Yes, because most Christians, whatever their personal feelings about the practice of homosexuality, will still accept that gay people are are made in God's image and are to be loved as Christianity teaches, rather than killed as Islam requires.


Indeed, to be openly gay and Christian isn't even a total taboo here, because there is reality based present day component and appreciation that everyone has their own path to walk and challenges in life. As you say, try being gay in an Islamic country and see the response. In fact, try going into a Mosque in Birmingham as an openly Gay Muslim and see where that gets you. I have no intention of standing with Islam when it comes to the treatment and dignity of the people of this country,and we've seen what happens when we cave in again and again. No decision on anything should ever be reached solely as result of Islamic outrage, threats or intimidation.

 

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