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View Penge Eagle's Profile Penge Eagle Flag Beckenham 20 Feb 19 12.42pm Send a Private Message to Penge Eagle Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Penge Eagle as a friend

'Three MPs quit Tory party to join breakaway group' [Link]

Good riddance! Anna Soubry is a particularly execrable human being (even when sober).

"The three said Brexit had "redefined the Conservative Party - undoing all the efforts to modernise it" and there had been a "shift to the right"."

Erm... The Conservative party has always been on the right – the clue is in the name!

The real reason is they have thrown their toys out of the pram because Theresa May is trying (badly) to fulfil the will of the people and deliver Brexit. Much to their disgust as arch remainers.

Edited by Penge Eagle (20 Feb 2019 12.47pm)

 

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View YT's Profile YT Online Flag Oxford 20 Feb 19 12.47pm Send a Private Message to YT Add YT as a friend

Originally posted by steeleye20

How about that, tory defections too.....

Will Javid revoke their citizenship?

Anyway looks like a group of quite sensible people.

Congratulations on the most stupid comment I've ever read on HOL - and there are many strong contenders. And yes, I know it's s question and not a comment.

 


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View steeleye20's Profile steeleye20 Flag Croydon 20 Feb 19 1.02pm Send a Private Message to steeleye20 Add steeleye20 as a friend

Originally posted by YT

Congratulations on the most stupid comment I've ever read on HOL - and there are many strong contenders. And yes, I know it's s question and not a comment.

It does pay to have a sense of humour - why don't you try it.............

 

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View Jimenez's Profile Jimenez Flag SELHURSTPARKCHESTER,DA BRONX 20 Feb 19 1.07pm Send a Private Message to Jimenez Add Jimenez as a friend

Any idea when the by elections are being held? Oh wait !!

 


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View Jamesey's Profile Jamesey Flag Wandsworth 20 Feb 19 1.10pm Send a Private Message to Jamesey Add Jamesey as a friend

Originally posted by Rudi Hedman

Starts a breakaway party when a few years ago he didn’t want to stand as leader when he could have been and lead the party his way. But he wasn’t ready. As if you get to choose when you are in politics, like in top football club management.


Umunna - well said.

 


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View Stirlingsays's Profile Stirlingsays Flag Wisbech, England 20 Feb 19 1.13pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by Penge Eagle

'Three MPs quit Tory party to join breakaway group' [Link]

Good riddance! Anna Soubry is a particularly execrable human being (even when sober).

"The three said Brexit had "redefined the Conservative Party - undoing all the efforts to modernise it" and there had been a "shift to the right"."

Erm... The Conservative party has always been on the right – the clue is in the name!

The real reason is they have thrown their toys out of the pram because Theresa May is trying (badly) to fulfil the will of the people and deliver Brexit. Much to their disgust as arch remainers.

Edited by Penge Eagle (20 Feb 2019 12.47pm)

Yep.....'shift to the right'....A leader who talks about the wage gap and wears 'I'm a Feminist' t-shirts....and they have the temerity to talk about a 'shift to the right'.

The Tories aren't even on the right.

Edited by Stirlingsays (20 Feb 2019 1.18pm)

 

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View Cucking Funt's Profile Cucking Funt Flag The toppermost of the poppermost 20 Feb 19 1.22pm Send a Private Message to Cucking Funt Add Cucking Funt as a friend

Originally posted by YT

Congratulations on the most stupid comment I've ever read on HOL - and there are many strong contenders. And yes, I know it's s question and not a comment.

And all from the same source.

 


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View Hrolf The Ganger's Profile Hrolf The Ganger Flag 20 Feb 19 3.17pm Send a Private Message to Hrolf The Ganger Add Hrolf The Ganger as a friend

Originally posted by serial thriller

No, Labour are attempting to champion their interests as well as those of migrants who currently live in this country.

Raise the minimum wage, increase social security, build hundreds of thousands more homes, stop NHS privatisation and respect the referendum result. What more do you want them to do?

I wish politicians cared as much as you think, but to them, it is all about compromises and careers.

You will see, more and more MP's from minorities using their background to advance their own position using minority votes while the values and interests of people who can trace their British heritage back to year dot will become unimportant.

It's all coming our way in the coming decades.

I can see the Labour party becoming a party that relies almost entirely on the ever increasing minority vote while the White working class desert in droves to put their x elsewhere.

 

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View Stirlingsays's Profile Stirlingsays Flag Wisbech, England 20 Feb 19 4.06pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

I can see the Labour party becoming a party that relies almost entirely on the ever increasing minority vote while the White working class desert in droves to put their x elsewhere.


Yep, as usual, look to the states to see what's going to be happening.

It's all becoming increasingly about identity politics and it's all inevitable.

In happier news....I'm off for another biscuit.

Edited by Stirlingsays (20 Feb 2019 4.06pm)

 

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View Penge Eagle's Profile Penge Eagle Flag Beckenham 20 Feb 19 4.24pm Send a Private Message to Penge Eagle Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Penge Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Stirlingsays


Yep, as usual, look to the states to see what's going to be happening.

It's all becoming increasingly about identity politics and it's all inevitable.

In happier news....I'm off for another biscuit.

Edited by Stirlingsays (20 Feb 2019 4.06pm)

You are correct, it is all happening there. The likes of Kamala Harris and Corey Booker are ticking the inter-sectional boxes. But they are not going to win the swing industrial belt where the likes of a more moderate like Joe Biden would. So they are making a big mistake. All Trump needs to do is keep his mouth shut and the Dems will dig their own graves with their extreme policies. As for Labour, it makes sense to be anti-Semitic and target the Muslim vote because they vastly outnumber the Jews (it's all numbers game). While pretending to care about traditional white working class voters, many of the metropolitan bubble and northerners will put a X on Labour vote no matter what.

 

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View silvertop's Profile silvertop Flag bristol 20 Feb 19 4.39pm Send a Private Message to silvertop Add silvertop as a friend

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

It's OK LAbourites.

Red Derek Hatton is back.

Should be a good indication of where Labour is heading under JC.

Odd that they now embrace communists and yet abandon their lifetime working class supporters in favour of the immigrant vote.
They are obviously planning for a future where immigrants and their offspring decide who runs the country.

I see your point about Hatton and the ground being safe for him to rise again from the dead like Dracula.

However, I would be interested to see how you think this abandonment of their working class support is manifest. I don't see that at all. In fact, the traditional left love them to bits. The problem with that party (OK just one problem) is near total disconnect between the executive and grass root support on one hand, and the PLP on the other.

 

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View Hrolf The Ganger's Profile Hrolf The Ganger Flag 20 Feb 19 5.31pm Send a Private Message to Hrolf The Ganger Add Hrolf The Ganger as a friend

Originally posted by silvertop

I see your point about Hatton and the ground being safe for him to rise again from the dead like Dracula.

However, I would be interested to see how you think this abandonment of their working class support is manifest. I don't see that at all. In fact, the traditional left love them to bits. The problem with that party (OK just one problem) is near total disconnect between the executive and grass root support on one hand, and the PLP on the other.

Demographics will change that I suspect in the coming years.
There will always be those that choose a left-wing party but I think their White vote will diminish over time.
With such a feeble Tory government they should be streets ahead in the polls now but they are not. They only got so many seats last time because of the Minority vote in London, where the 'minority' is actually no longer a minority.

 

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