No requirement at all... That's why I said 'in my experience'..

Don't waste your time with jealousy. Sometimes your ahead, sometimes your behind, the race is long. But in the end it's only with yourself!!

People often look to qualities and character in high achievers both in and out of their sport. It's hardly that out there. sh!t talking between fighters, most can get behind. This stuff, not so much.

Fury's comments were extreme. Maybe Ken has gay family members that he values and respects and as such finds it distasteful for someone with a public profile to be comparing gay people to child abusers and saying they're hellbound. It's a perfectly sensible reason to decide 'not for me, mate'. If you're touchy about it, that's not his problem.

If someone was waxing lyrical about black boxer Ali you'd be the first in line with how racist you believe he was, so 'who gives a damn about what people say' is hypocritical, because obviously you do. Just not about this group of people.

Edited by dollardays (27 Feb 2019 10.37pm)

It's the default within most socially conservative religious people to dislike homosexuality. As long as it doesn't involve physically harming anyone it's for that individual.

I did find Fury's connection on child abuse and homosexuality a bit off however......I find that with a lot of what he says. However, he punches people for a living and if people consider his opinions on anything important to their lives that's their issue.

With respect, that's kind of what I meant.

I think this is a good point. Obviously we all have different buttons and while I most definitely support an individual's right to not like whatever I would probably comment.

However, in this area I would probably most react to what I thought was hypocrisy or double standards.....Tyson may have been anti homosexual in his remarks but I'm not sure where the double standard is....besides like I said, I'm not even sure of where Tyson actually stands on that issue because he says one thing and then does another.

However as an aside, you aren't quite right when you specifically mention Ali. It would be a fair comment to how I viewed Ali in the past but that viewpoint has changed somewhat.

When I watch the Parkinson interviews with Ali, I remember how I was once convinced that Ali was wrong and racist. And while the 'white devil' stuff is overtly silly I've learnt far more since those days and now I understand the brainwashing that comes with the 'racist' term that's used on people.

Everybody has some form of group preference, for some it's more class based for others it's more racial...for some more intellect, cultural or beauty based....Society only considers one as vitally important but they are all still some form of group preference. What matters to me is how far a individual takes that...Are they prepared to treat someone badly over it...Are they hypocritical...that kind of thing.

Anyway....For me, Ali was essentially a good man, who...excepting the flaws we all have, did what he thought was right, and he was a product of his environment and personality.

He wasn't a hypocrite as far as I'm aware.

Edited by Stirlingsays (27 Feb 2019 11.15pm)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Yep, I don't know that I'd go as far as say 'cruelty' but generally I think your points here are probably fair. I have my worldview and I pursue and am prepared to argue it out with those who oppose it.

I've covered the Joe Root thing, I gave the reasons there.

I think it's sad in one regard...in terms of egalitarianism....but in practical terms egalitarianism doesn't actually work...it's like communism...it would be the perfect system if you were controlling ants instead of people.

However in terms of Ali I also see his point. He doesn't want his race to die out, which is the inevitable consequence of no one pushing back on that.

I think all types of consenting societies have a right to exist....but we don't really live in an era where it's discussed officially because of the 'racism' fear.

I use to agree with that...before the era of identity politics when we were all encouraged to be colour blind...Certainly In meritocracy we should always be....Also I would certainly still agree that at the moment there are more important things in the world. However, I'm not of the view that it doesn't matter at all.....When I think about these things....which admittedly is more than I use to, I do find the 'Japanese have a right to Japan' the 'African has a right to Africa' argument hard to disagree with.

When you look back in history lots of groups have been mixed out of existence....I don't think any of them went willingly.

But do I want to treat people unfairly because of that....nope. Is someone's skin colour a reflection on their character? Ali for example, might have held the views he had but he was surrounded by friends of all hues......We are all accidents of birth and deserving of a crack at life.

So I don't think there is a perfect answer to any of this....Not from here anyway.

Edited by Stirlingsays (28 Feb 2019 12.48am)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Yes. Perhaps you should take a few weeks off, go and see a couple of tulip farms maybe, and give everyone a rest.

Because as I said, in my experience of dealing with travellers they tend to be very racist and homophobic... So that's why I made that particular point... Can only make points on what I experience can't I??

Don't waste your time with jealousy. Sometimes your ahead, sometimes your behind, the race is long. But in the end it's only with yourself!!