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deleted user Flag 16 Mar 19 4.34pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

When Jamaica gained independence in 1962, the murder rate was 3.9 per 100,000 inhabitants, one of the lowest in the world at the time.....but still about four times the UKs.

In 2005, Jamaica had 1,674 murders for a murder rate of 58 per 100,000 people....the latest I could find was 1,616 murders reported in 2017.

Excuses, excuses, excuses.....is all you ever here.

I'm not accusing you of saying it but I regularly hear in the media how white guys were to blame when we were in countries 'of colour' or whatever phrase is currently acceptable these days......now we are to blame when we aren't.

Different day, same BS.

Edited by Stirlingsays (16 Mar 2019 11.02am)

That's right, he didn't. He's made no claim about what racial terms are acceptable and none of this other stuff you've crowbarred in. He is not deserving of your race rant. Different day, same BS is right.

 

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Originally posted by Rudi Hedman

Yep, that one. The warning sign was there of what was to come. Also in some jungle lyrics with some gunfire in them. Sorry to say but imported from the West Indies.


it the fault of the British Establishment. You colonise a country with convicts in chains, what do you expect to happen a couple hundred years later ?

the West Indies and Australia both very dysfunctional societies.

 


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Originally posted by dollardays

That's right, he didn't. He's made no claim about what racial terms are acceptable and none of this other stuff you've crowbarred in. He is not deserving of your race rant. Different day, same BS is right.

He made a point about murder rates in Jamaica being lower in the nineties and included a reference to the skin colour of a rapper. So my answer was simply an expansion on Jamaica's murder rate and how it differed in different eras. I made it clear I wasn't criticizing him and I gave out information that was relevant as I saw it.

You know what, your childish dislike is so obvious with every little insult you try to 'crowbar' in. It's a 'rant' in your head that's plain to see.

The fact that these are verifiable statistics doesn't appear to matter and what you think is 'deserving' or not isn't relevant.


Edited by Stirlingsays (16 Mar 2019 5.52pm)

 


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View madcap_v2's Profile madcap_v2 Flag SE25 / Ibiza 17 Mar 19 9.13pm Send a Private Message to madcap_v2 Add madcap_v2 as a friend

Originally posted by dollardays

Funny how the likes of Music of Black Origin is a myth or something we shouldn't exclusively highlight until it relates to violence. Then you feel the need to lecture one of the few non white members about what you've decided are the dangers of music of West Indies origin, by highlighting a song by a white Canadian rapper.


Edited by dollardays (16 Mar 2019 3.47pm)

I had the exact same thought myself

 


La la la your mum

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Originally posted by Rudi Hedman

It was originally a joke of mine. You may have noticed by me quoting ‘I lickee boom boom now.’’ Well maybe you did. At least Pussay did. However, it is still rap lyrics about stabbing someone. Where do rap lyrics come from? Where does rap come from? Which demographics behave in the same ways as these lyrics?

The lyrics for that particular song came from Snow, a white Canadian.

 


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Originally posted by madcap_v2

The lyrics for that particular song came from Snow, a white Canadian.

For the 10th time, it was a joke, but no, rap doesn’t originate from Canada or Canadians. It was started by African Americans, and it contains drugs, violence, misogyny and polygamy.

 


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View Midlands Eagle's Profile Midlands Eagle Flag 18 Mar 19 7.57am Send a Private Message to Midlands Eagle Add Midlands Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by madcap_v2

The lyrics for that particular song came from Snow, a white Canadian.

I didn't know that Snow White was Canadian

 

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Originally posted by Rudi Hedman

For the 10th time, it was a joke, but no, rap doesn’t originate from Canada or Canadians. It was started by African Americans, and it contains drugs, violence, misogyny and polygamy.

Maybe use the joke font. Cos if you have to explain a joke, ya know....

There are literally hundreds of rap songs that don't include drugs, violence, misogyny or polygamy. But you've formed an opinion on it, no point in my trying to suggest otherwise

 


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Originally posted by madcap_v2

Maybe use the joke font. Cos if you have to explain a joke, ya know....

There are literally hundreds of rap songs that don't include drugs, violence, misogyny or polygamy. But you've formed an opinion on it, no point in my trying to suggest otherwise


Faint praise indeed.....there must be many thousands recorded.

The reality is that the number of quality blacks within the community is nowhere near high enough to overcome the influence of ghetto culture amongst its youth. Rap music (and yes it has perfectly respectable forms) has been a contributor to that culture.

The community constantly blames external forces for its lack of success but the reality is that it creates an environment like crabs in a bucket.

Edited by Stirlingsays (18 Mar 2019 10.56am)

 


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Originally posted by madcap_v2

Maybe use the joke font. Cos if you have to explain a joke, ya know....

There are literally hundreds of rap songs that don't include drugs, violence, misogyny or polygamy. But you've formed an opinion on it, no point in my trying to suggest otherwise

You can’t see that me saying we should’ve noticed the signs due to the licks ‘’I lickee boom boom now’’ was a joke? Righto. Pussay clocked it. For your sake I’d like to believe you’re trying a wind up.

And there are many many thousands of rap songs that do contain violence, misogyny and polygamy even if there are hundreds that do not. How many rock, dance l, rare groove or soul music (yes black music can be good) lyrics cobtain negative lyrics and messages to their sheep? FWIW, Dre 2000 is one of the best albums of all time.

 


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I was not raised in a country that has Black community but intensively listened to Gangsta Rap during its golden years around 1992-1999. Informer was one of my favourite

Have lots of brutal referrals, hate, revenge, considering a woman as an item. Reason why i never had issues with these wording was just because those are the fact of daily life. Thus, i still can sometime tune 2Pac at Spotify as a person who never lived in black community environment at age of 41 while going to my office in a bank where the atmosphere is extremely white

I meantime also like Black Metal which was led my Scandinavia and Britain and which was heavily criticized for having brutal lyrics , depressive stories and much more being aggressive against religion. (Cradle of Filth - born in Ipswich) has an official t-shirt which has Jesus is a c*** sentence on it)

I neither became a person who attacked police/ or insulted women nor a person who tried to burn a church or mosque.

However, this does not mean art / music / artists etc have no influence to people whom i would name `vulnerable` due to lack of their intelligence. Drill music (which sounds annoying to me although i had listened to rap) is trendy and there are lots of views that it has an impact on crime rate. Never read its lyrics but the discussion is it promotes attacking and much more offering to have an identity by doing so.

But, this does not mean drill rap should be banned because another genre / activity will fill the gap as long as you have problematic youth who is involved in these crimes.

Edited by blackheatheagle (18 Mar 2019 11.17am)

 

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Does popular music influence or reflect the culture of its intended audience? Did the peace and love bands of the 60’s lead to social change or just provide a soundtrack for people who thought fitted in with their worldview?

 

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