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View PalazioVecchio's Profile PalazioVecchio Flag south pole 18 Mar 19 11.40am Send a Private Message to PalazioVecchio Add PalazioVecchio as a friend

Originally posted by madcap_v2


There are literally hundreds of rap songs that don't include drugs, violence, misogyny or polygamy.

true. There is also mention overthrow of governments, terrorism, hatred towards whites, going to war with the police, radical islam, homophobia, transphobia, Marxism,

songs like 'f..ck tha police' or 'cop killer'


and most offensive of all is the lack of royalty payments or due credit when sampling the Everly brothers.

 


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View Stirlingsays's Profile Stirlingsays Flag Wisbech, England 18 Mar 19 12.00pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by Teddy Eagle

Does popular music influence or reflect the culture of its intended audience? Did the peace and love bands of the 60ís lead to social change or just provide a soundtrack for people who thought fitted in with their worldview?

I think that's a very fair question to ask.

I would definitely never support the banning of this music. Anti social Rap...to whatever level is simply an expression of issues that already exist not the cause of them.....is some of it healthy for them....probably not...but do we rip fags from the mouths of adults?

The cause of the issues within certain sectors of the black community are not going to be lessened by the banning of music. Personally I don't think anything actually can be done about the causes......Not in a practical or ethical sense.

However as an insight into this community (which isn't exclusively black anyway ) the music is a library for anyone interested to take note.


Edited by Stirlingsays (18 Mar 2019 12.05pm)

 

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View W12's Profile W12 Flag 18 Mar 19 12.02pm Send a Private Message to W12 Add W12 as a friend

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"It would be easy to dismiss YTBYTN as nothing more than a bad influence on the youth of their hometown, on the basis their lyrics make repeated reference to drug-dealing and conflict with the police.

But that overlooks the fact that rapping about the realities of urban life can be an escape route for young men from disadvantaged backgrounds, and it also ignores the reality that their music is compelling enough to be popular in the town"

What, just because they stabbed someone to death?

What happened to the general consensus of reasonable law abiding citizens?

 

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View Teddy Eagle's Profile Teddy Eagle Flag 18 Mar 19 12.31pm Send a Private Message to Teddy Eagle Add Teddy Eagle as a friend

This isnít just about the music though. There are also films and video games that glamourise a certain attitude. I have no idea how much effect they have but I do remember people trying to kick each otherís heads in during the Bruce Lee era.
Young people are not going to listen to classical music although it didnít do much to calm down Alex in A Clockwork Orange. If that came out now would there be calls to ban Beethoven?

 

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View madcap_v2's Profile madcap_v2 Flag Nope. 18 Mar 19 12.40pm Send a Private Message to madcap_v2 Add madcap_v2 as a friend

Originally posted by Stirlingsays


Faint praise indeed.....there must be many thousands recorded.

The reality is that the number of quality blacks within the community is nowhere near high enough to overcome the influence of ghetto culture amongst its youth. Rap music (and yes it has perfectly respectable forms) has been a contributor to that culture.

The community constantly blames external forces for its lack of success but the reality is that it creates an environment like crabs in a bucket.

Edited by Stirlingsays (18 Mar 2019 10.56am)

The number of quality blacks... Christ I've heard it all now

Is there a scale of "blacks now"?

 


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View Stirlingsays's Profile Stirlingsays Flag Wisbech, England 18 Mar 19 12.46pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by Teddy Eagle

This isnít just about the music though. There are also films and video games that glamourise a certain attitude. I have no idea how much effect they have but I do remember people trying to kick each otherís heads in during the Bruce Lee era.
Young people are not going to listen to classical music although it didnít do much to calm down Alex in A Clockwork Orange. If that came out now would there be calls to ban Beethoven?

I agree that playing music or playing a violent game isn't quite what some think it is....getting rid of these things isn't going to make your streets safe. I mean don't get me wrong....if you could enforce a milk toast, church going environment from cradle to grave as the culture then violence would go right down.....but this is practically and ethically unrealistic.

But you could ask the question why do some people listen to classical music and others listen to anti social or aggressive music?

Obviously to an extent, it's about what is available and accepted within their family/local culture....but I believe that people also seek out what fits their temperament.

Edited by Stirlingsays (18 Mar 2019 1.16pm)

 

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View ASCPFC's Profile ASCPFC Flag Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 18 Mar 19 12.47pm Send a Private Message to ASCPFC Add ASCPFC as a friend

Originally posted by W12

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"It would be easy to dismiss YTBYTN as nothing more than a bad influence on the youth of their hometown, on the basis their lyrics make repeated reference to drug-dealing and conflict with the police.

But that overlooks the fact that rapping about the realities of urban life can be an escape route for young men from disadvantaged backgrounds, and it also ignores the reality that their music is compelling enough to be popular in the town"

What, just because they stabbed someone to death?

What happened to the general consensus of reasonable law abiding citizens?

Quite clearly, the young one should have been taken into care years ago. The older two should have already been in prison for possession with intent to supply and possession of a weapon. However, nobody dealt with an obvious problem before it happened and someone is dead. Will not be the first or last. Pretty much the same across the UK.

 


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View Stirlingsays's Profile Stirlingsays Flag Wisbech, England 18 Mar 19 12.54pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by madcap_v2

The number of quality blacks... Christ I've heard it all now

Is there a scale of "blacks now"?

Do you genuinely not understand what's being said? ....or are you playing the usual....funny how that's what you chose to respond to isn't it.

Ok, there's a scale of quality people in every community, white, black, asian....whatever community whatever group. What we define by 'quality' is whatever that individual is setting as the metric.

A meritocratic scale is used for pretty much anything important in life.....employment to education to who you marry.

Ok, go onto an online store that's open to the public like Gumtree and buy 100 items from 100 different people.....there will be a percent that knock you or fib a bit about the product and a percent that deal fairly.....At the end of that experiment you'd be able to say how many people dealt with you fairly as opposed to not.


Edited by Stirlingsays (18 Mar 2019 1.37pm)

 

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View Teddy Eagle's Profile Teddy Eagle Flag 18 Mar 19 1.07pm Send a Private Message to Teddy Eagle Add Teddy Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

I agree that playing music or playing a violent game isn't going what some think it is....getting rid of these things isn't going to make your streets safe. I mean don't get me wrong....if you could enforce a milk toast, church going environment from cradle to grave as the culture then violence would go right down.....but this is practically and ethnically unrealistic.

But you could ask the question why do some people listen to classical music and others listen to metal?

Obviously to an extent, it's about what is available and accepted within their family/local....but I believe that people also seek out what fits their temperament.

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Yes, thatís true. As with fashion and slang, etc. peer pressure is very powerful. Itís an old story - look at an old photo of a crowd. Thousands of men didnít wake up and think a flat cap was a daring fashion choice. Not wearing a hat must have seemed quite rebellious.

 

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Originally posted by Teddy Eagle

Yes, thatís true. As with fashion and slang, etc. peer pressure is very powerful. Itís an old story - look at an old photo of a crowd. Thousands of men didnít wake up and think a flat cap was a daring fashion choice. Not wearing a hat must have seemed quite rebellious.

Very true.

I must get myself one of those again.

 

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Originally posted by madcap_v2

The number of quality blacks... Christ I've heard it all now

Is there a scale of "blacks now"?

and don't forget 'crabs in a bucket'!! lol. '3/5ths' mentality. I'm glad to see you've used humour in reply rather than activating your pincers. Must be those good genes!


Edited by dollardays (18 Mar 2019 7.21pm)

 

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View madcap_v2's Profile madcap_v2 Flag Nope. 18 Mar 19 11.34pm Send a Private Message to madcap_v2 Add madcap_v2 as a friend

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Do you genuinely not understand what's being said? ....or are you playing the usual....funny how that's what you chose to respond to isn't it.

Ok, there's a scale of quality people in every community, white, black, asian....whatever community whatever group. What we define by 'quality' is whatever that individual is setting as the metric.

A meritocratic scale is used for pretty much anything important in life.....employment to education to who you marry.

Ok, go onto an online store that's open to the public like Gumtree and buy 100 items from 100 different people.....there will be a percent that knock you or fib a bit about the product and a percent that deal fairly.....At the end of that experiment you'd be able to say how many people dealt with you fairly as opposed to not.


Edited by Stirlingsays (18 Mar 2019 1.37pm)

I don't have time to sit on this forum all day so I chose to respond to the wildest part of your post. Ive never heard someone have a scale of quality within a race. Maybe I don't understand what you're saying. Not sure I want to, absolutely bizarre

 


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