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Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Why would you? Well, I know you don't care.

If one of my grandchildren did that I wouldn't be bothered....if they all did I know that the anglo saxon line had been wiped out...that isn't something I want...again....This is just as valid for an Englishman to talk about as it is for a Tibetan or indeed the Dalai Lama.


In terms of how you regard me and how sincere you are we have:

'I bet you'll be around the table with your ethnic pals, discussing black IQ and wanting to move to your white paradise.'

'Your race clearly means much more to you than the average black person'

'you're obsessed with your racial identity and with the race of others. Because you are inferring that you would leave your own country to be with other whites. Most black British people I know aren't talking about moving country to be with other blacks'.

I don't take offence to any of your views though its obvious you have a serious case of 'stirlingsays' itch.

Edited by Stirlingsays (19 Mar 2019 8.40pm)

Do your 'not many quality blacks' and 'crabs in a bucket' comments nudge people towards or away from the above though? A consequence of your distancing from, and sometimes belittlement of minorities is that the idea of becoming one appears to be both soul destroying and ever present for you. You've walked yourself into a single focus view. You're no more or less deserving than anyone else who was born here and loves their country. It's possible that you agree with that anyway.

I'm not screaming 'throw open the borders', the opposite is true. I don't care what colour peoples kids are or need to know by what criteria they chose a partner. Most people just fall in love with who they fall in love with and take it from there, rather than a Crufts style approach but each to their own.

I would agree that endless threads are self indulgent and time consuming. There is always another reply.. another reply.. For what it's worth I think it's good that this is an outlet for how you feel. Better out than in and all that. I'm not expert in knowing how someone will take what I say. I wouldn't want anyone to become even more strident in their views as result of their interactions with me with threads of commonality lost along the way.


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View Stirlingsays's Profile Stirlingsays Flag Wisbech, England 19 Mar 19 10.29pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by SW19 CPFC

It gets banded about all over the place here, but technically your original point about not wanting your grandchildren (whether itís all or one is irrelevant) to have children with a non-Anglo Saxon is a racist point of view no?

Just to add to that the Japanese do indeed hold that view but theyíre also pretty xenophobic and racist.


Is wanting my identity to continue racism? Ok, if that's how you feel about it.

However, I feel that the racist term is more about viewing other races as inferior.....Which isn't what is going on here. Wanting my Anglo Saxon identity to continue existing as the majority one on this island isn't saying other people's identities are inferior.....they just aren't Anglo Saxon and aren't connected to the island's history as much.

It also means that this is calling the Dalai Lama racist and not only the Japanese...... but the Palestinians, the Jews, Africans......well, pretty much everyone who isn't signed up the 'progressive' mindset on racism.

I maintain that for England to remain English then the English have to be the majority within it......otherwise what is the point of the name.


Edited by Stirlingsays (19 Mar 2019 10.32pm)

 

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View SW19 CPFC's Profile SW19 CPFC Flag Addiscombe 19 Mar 19 10.58pm Send a Private Message to SW19 CPFC Add SW19 CPFC as a friend

Originally posted by Stirlingsays


Is wanting my identity to continue racism? Ok, if that's how you feel about it.

However, I feel that the racist term is more about viewing other races as inferior.....Which isn't what is going on here. Wanting my Anglo Saxon identity to continue existing as the majority one on this island isn't saying other people's identities are inferior.....they just aren't Anglo Saxon and aren't connected to the island's history as much.

It also means that this is calling the Dalai Lama racist and not only the Japanese...... but the Palestinians, the Jews, Africans......well, pretty much everyone who isn't signed up the 'progressive' mindset on racism.

I maintain that for England to remain English then the English have to be the majority within it......otherwise what is the point of the name.


Edited by Stirlingsays (19 Mar 2019 10.32pm)

Itís not what I feel about it - the specific point you made around Anglo Saxon lineage is technically racist - mildly if there is such a thing but technically it is, prioritising one race over another for the sake of identity.

I get your point around inferiority but ultimately that is arguably implied by that attitude, intentionally or not. I certainly feel most people would find that opinion referenced the opinions of many decades ago regarding mixed race marriages even if the point of origination is not the same. I canít see how that is a good thing?

Yeah Iíd agree that anyone holding similar views is just the same - the Japanese especially.

Regarding England remaining English from a racial and genetic point of view, fine, but I believe the English identity is about more than just genes and lineage. Itís quite a purist point of view, and one that is wholly unattainable or realistic. And in some contexts certainly not helpful. But itís your point of view, and youíre entitled to that.

 


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View Stirlingsays's Profile Stirlingsays Flag Wisbech, England 19 Mar 19 11.47pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by SW19 CPFC

Itís not what I feel about it - the specific point you made around Anglo Saxon lineage is technically racist - mildly if there is such a thing but technically it is, prioritising one race over another for the sake of identity.

I get your point around inferiority but ultimately that is arguably implied by that attitude, intentionally or not. I certainly feel most people would find that opinion referenced the opinions of many decades ago regarding mixed race marriages even if the point of origination is not the same. I canít see how that is a good thing?

Yeah Iíd agree that anyone holding similar views is just the same - the Japanese especially.

Regarding England remaining English from a racial and genetic point of view, fine, but I believe the English identity is about more than just genes and lineage. Itís quite a purist point of view, and one that is wholly unattainable or realistic. And in some contexts certainly not helpful. But itís your point of view, and youíre entitled to that.

Yep, I've given this kind of thing a lot of thought recently and I can't deny your take on it as you state it here. Maybe this is what I am.

My white English identity matters to me....and by extension being a European....not massively perhaps but it does matter....and I think that the identity of all races should matter...Black, Asian and if you're mixed then that combination....I suppose they have to pick a side in a sense....or at least more of a side.

I use to have your opinion on the English identity and I won't deny the cultural aspect to it. I do think someone can come here and grow into the nationality.....but essentially I do think a percentage of genes matter.

But no ones inferior....genes aren't inferior, they are just genes......but for example I prefer long legged girls to short legged ones and I personally don't see what's wrong with a preference.

 

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Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Yep, I've given this kind of thing a lot of thought recently and I can't deny your take on it as you state it here. Maybe this is what I am.

My white English identity matters to me....and by extension being a European....not massively perhaps but it does matter....and I think that the identity of all races should matter...Black, Asian and if you're mixed then that combination....I suppose they have to pick a side in a sense....or at least more of a side.

I use to have your opinion on the English identity and I won't deny the cultural aspect to it. I do think someone can come here and grow into the nationality.....but essentially I do think a percentage of genes matter.

But no ones inferior....genes aren't inferior, they are just genes......but for example I prefer long legged girls to short legged ones and I personally don't see what's wrong with a preference.

Preference becomes a problem when it removes other peopleís right to choice and free will, for example, for the sake of preservation of identity. Or to a lesser extent makes them feel marginalised or treated and viewed differently because of a choice theyíve made that is explicitly linked to race. Iím not sure you can dilute this so easily by talking about long or short legged women. Thereís too much water under the bridge to make light of what used to happen (and clearly still does, just not our in the open) when it comes to inter racial marriage/relationships etc.

Your point on maybe this is what I am - if youíre making statements like that which are clearly based on racial preference, then I think most people these days would ditch the maybe. Again, thatís your viewpoint but again Iíd be wary of posting that on a publically search indexed forum.

 


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Originally posted by SW19 CPFC

Preference becomes a problem when it removes other peopleís right to choice and free will, for example, for the sake of preservation of identity. Or to a lesser extent makes them feel marginalised or treated and viewed differently because of a choice theyíve made that is explicitly linked to race. Iím not sure you can dilute this so easily by talking about long or short legged women. Thereís too much water under the bridge to make light of what used to happen (and clearly still does, just not our in the open) when it comes to inter racial marriage/relationships etc.

Your point on maybe this is what I am - if youíre making statements like that which are clearly based on racial preference, then I think most people these days would ditch the maybe. Again, thatís your viewpoint but again Iíd be wary of posting that on a publically search indexed forum.

You have preference, you remove 'other peopleís right to choice and free will' all the time SW19. You might just prefer the forms you choose other other's forms but it's no different. You just don't admit to it or coat it in language you deem more respectable.

I'm not aware that it's illegal to have a preference for my offspring. When you suggest that this is somehow wrong you promote the disfigured ideology we currently have. You have freely called whole nations racist on here and I totally disagree with your characterization.

I regard your first paragraph as disappointing and your second paragraph as insidious......Is that where we are now.

Jesus.

At least I and others can know where you are now as a poster.

Edited by Stirlingsays (20 Mar 2019 8.05am)

 

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Originally posted by Stirlingsays

You have preference, you remove 'other peopleís right to choice and free will' all the time SW19. You might just prefer the forms you choose other other's forms but it's no different. You just don't admit to it or coat it in language you deem more respectable.

I'm not aware that it's illegal to have a preference for my offspring. When you suggest that this is somehow wrong you promote the disfigured ideology we currently have. You have freely called whole nations racist on here and I totally disagree with your characterization.

I regard your first paragraph as disappointing and your second paragraph as insidious......Is that where we are now.

Jesus.

At least I and others can know where you are now as a poster.

Edited by Stirlingsays (20 Mar 2019 8.05am)

It's not necessarily related to what I think Ė it's just what the majority think. What I would say is that I thought the days of racial profiling deciding who people procreate with were, at least on the whole, in the past. I'd personally never take the same stance, i.e tell my offspring that I was either disappointed in them or worse for choosing a non-anglo saxon partner.

Re. free will, of course I do. But not consciously because of their race. That's the point here. Sub-conciously? Based on research probably, as much as it pains me to say it.

I never said it was illegal! But writing such stuff down in a public forum is in my opinion a bit risky.

The point around being careful what you write is simply a general one, not a personal threat. There are probably plenty of people in some of the more aggressive far left organisations that you despise who would no doubt love to latch onto your opinion, maybe even attempt to go further. Why risk it?

It's well documented that Japan is a very xenophobic, isolationist culture, which also naturally produces a large amount of racist incidents. I'm not sure that is in any way revelatory, or even a minority view.

Also the point around ditching the maybe? That's just how people will view you after talking about racial preference in that way. I can't think you would of thought any different, surely? Norms of the past don't usually hold up well in the cold hard light of the present.

Edited by SW19 CPFC (20 Mar 2019 1.16pm)

 


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Originally posted by SW19 CPFC

I thought the days of racial profiling deciding who people procreate with were, at least on the whole, in the past.

Edited by SW19 CPFC (20 Mar 2019 1.16pm)

you not seen any dating websites then ?

many websites clearly allow people to filter by height, age, socioeconomic class, religion ....AND BY RACE.

 


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Originally posted by PalazioVecchio

you not seen any dating websites then ?

many websites clearly allow people to filter by height, age, socioeconomic class, religion ....AND BY RACE.

Observes point sailing over head by several thousand miles.

 


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Originally posted by PalazioVecchio

you not seen any dating websites then ?

many websites clearly allow people to filter by height, age, socioeconomic class, religion ....AND BY RACE.

I put in Afro Carribbean, professional, less than 4ft 6 and overtly Buddhist. I wanted to put in over 15 stone too but you only get the choice of slim or other. Didn't get many matches in the West of Ireland. I still await my dream girl.

 


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Originally posted by SW19 CPFC

It's not necessarily related to what I think Ė it's just what the majority think.

Is there any evidence for a statement like that. I'm not so sure. [Link] Indeed, when you consider the world I'd say your views on this topic are very much the minority.

It may be what you intellectual bubble thinks and those you surround yourself with and respect think. However, that is not the same thing.

Originally posted by SW19 CPFC

What I would say is that I thought the days of racial profiling deciding who people procreate with were, at least on the whole, in the past. I'd personally never take the same stance, i.e tell my offspring that I was either disappointed in them or worse for choosing a non-anglo saxon partner.

Let's look at that statement logically. If people weren't 'racially profiling' as you say...Whereas I would choose different words like 'exercising preference'.... then the minorities that have been here since mass immigration began would have been far more mixed into the population than they are. The number of sexual partners available from the white community far far exceeds those from their own.

The reality is that most different racial groups are choosing the same racial partners in an environment where they have ready access to different races. You are either choosing to ignore this or simply disbelieve what I feel is very obviously the case.

I simply stated the same preferred choice...Not a forced one.....as I believe in an individual's mental agency and choice.....and not an exclusive choice as you then chose to take the statement.

You say it's not necessarily related to what you think and then precede to give us....in my view, what amounts to a distinction without a difference.

Now in this reply I will say that while I completely disagree with most of your points I have some respect for your viewpoint as I once held similar views. I'm not saying this for point scoring but simply in a recognition of your egalitarianism.

That said we differ significantly and I have some things to say.


Originally posted by SW19 CPFC

Re. free will, of course I do. But not consciously because of their race. That's the point here. Sub-conciously? Based on research probably, as much as it pains me to say it.


The fact remains you are making value judgements over what I consider are valid choices.

I feel you are mistaken if you are suggesting that you don't or haven't made value judgements on people using criteria that the individual has no control over....for example, a good looking girlfriend over a plain one.....A smart girlfriend over a dimmer one.....and my example of preferring long legs to short legs isn't throw away at all....It lies at the very centre of that this discussion is about.

You simply think your discriminations are less transgressionary than mine based purely upon arbitrary value judgements within current popular culture. When that culture changes do you think I'll be telling you to stop speaking your views because we have activist nutters out there?.....though you have a point.

Anyway the fact is these preferences are normal in the world and indeed within this very country. We just have this current absurd attitude towards anyone talking about it.

Originally posted by SW19 CPFC

I never said it was illegal! But writing such stuff down in a public forum is in my opinion a bit risky.

The point around being careful what you write is simply a general one, not a personal threat. There are probably plenty of people in some of the more aggressive far left organisations that you despise who would no doubt love to latch onto your opinion, maybe even attempt to go further. Why risk it?


I'm already aware of the problems associated talking honestly creates in our modern society. Even talking directly about commonplace behaviour.

You seem to be suggesting that I should pull my horns in....perhaps you are right. However, while I think I'd prefer to post far less on this stuff I don't consider that course of action a particularly good reflection of what is meant to be a free society.

I don't feel that I've said anything particularly outlandish or shocking at all.


Originally posted by SW19 CPFC

It's well documented that Japan is a very xenophobic, isolationist culture, which also naturally produces a large amount of racist incidents. I'm not sure that is in any way revelatory, or even a minority view.

Also the point around ditching the maybe? That's just how people will view you after talking about racial preference in that way. I can't think you would of thought any different, surely? Norms of the past don't usually hold up well in the cold hard light of the present.

Edited by SW19 CPFC (20 Mar 2019 1.16pm)

I don't accept how you characterise Japan......a country that is very popular with tourists and migrant workers despite your description....it isn't isolationist and is a massive trading country with cultural links all over the world.

I don't consider the desire to maintain a biological existence that has maintained for many thousands of years somehow....racist. Japan is a global nation in many ways it just doesn't except the ideas on identity that you do.


Edited by Stirlingsays (20 Mar 2019 8.35pm)

 

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Originally posted by Stirlingsays

I don't accept how you characterise Japan......a country that is very popular with tourists and migrant workers despite your description....it isn't isolationist and is a massive trading country with cultural links all over the world.

I don't consider the desire to maintain a biological existence that has maintained for many thousands of years somehow....racist. Japan is a global nation in many ways it just doesn't except the ideas on identity that you do.


Edited by Stirlingsays (20 Mar 2019 8.35pm)

Hes back!

In fairness, you could probably find evidence but yeah itís my interpretation of the general state of play, although itís definately wide than just my Ďbubbleí. I donít just form my views and opinions based on what people I know say. If I did I think Iíd be in real trouble. Iíd argue the same could be said of your opinions

To cut out the waffle, I thought being anti mixed race marriage/sex/relationships was long in the past. At least in the mainstream anyway. No matter how you cut it, that is, as we discussed before, technically racist.

What that doesnít mean is you canít have a preference, say, on a dating site, as one pleb pointed out so eloquently. Both thoughts and reasons for choice come from two very different places. No one is suggesting you canít make choices based on race, but the crucial thing is why, how and for what reason youíre making them. From your previous replies you certainly appeared to understand this view as at the very least walking a very fine line.

You place negative choice on race at the same level as choosing a girlfriend - itís a bad comparison. One is equal no matter culture race or creed, one is not.

Just because people tend to choose to stay within their racial groups as a majority trend doesnít mean people that donít should be penalised, or in some way made to feel inferior, ashamed or belittled.

That is at the crux of the issue.

Stupidity is not exclusive. Race is. Judging on stupidity is equally fair game. Judging on race in the way you are is not. Itís a subtle but very important difference.

Iíd be very interested to conduct a poll on whether not wanting ones child to marry or procreate with another race (Any race, whatever) was racist or not. Iíd be amazed if most people said no. Thatís where I think youíre out of touch. Iím not even sure that Stevey would say that. He has black friends you know. Maybe if they were a Muslim, anyway I digress.

Iím not suggesting you pull your horns in, especially if this was a private forum but itís not. If I had loads of money and didnít need to work, had no reputation at stake etc then Iíd go for it much more - but Iím not that naive. If people want to find you, theyíll find you. This is not Chatham house rules or the local Wisbech inn. And to me that says more about your interpretation of the wider world and where it is now and where it is heading being more out of touch than mine. Maybe thatís age.

You might not accept the characterisation of Japan but itís all there if you choose to read about it rather than ignore it. You often hold it up as a model of aspiration and that maybe exposes your bias. There are clearly benefits to their approach but a rounded objective person would also realise its flaws.

Edited by SW19 CPFC (20 Mar 2019 10.36pm)

 


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