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View Stirlingsays's Profile Stirlingsays Flag 28 Nov 19 12.39am Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by sickboy

Then again the knife may have been in his hand against another kid.
Sorry to say it Stirls but they know exactly what they are doing and dont give a f*** about anything but money,and being the big man. Sad.

I get the cynicism, and in many cases it's going to be accurate.

You know I hold pretty strident views in this area and that I blame this whole sh1tshow on the idealism of egalitarians....but that's an holistic view and a historical resentment which will probably never leave me.

However when it comes to dealing with an individual violent death of a 14 year old I still view this with regret. Let's not forget that I'm a former teacher and I worked with teenagers for many years.

It's a future lost and possibility a redemption lost too.

But like I say....this doesn't change my opinions on the madness of how we got here.


Edited by Stirlingsays (28 Nov 2019 12.41am)

 


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View sickboy's Profile sickboy Flag Deal or Croydon 28 Nov 19 2.17am Send a Private Message to sickboy Add sickboy as a friend

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

I get the cynicism, and in many cases it's going to be accurate.

You know I hold pretty strident views in this area and that I blame this whole sh1tshow on the idealism of egalitarians....but that's an holistic view and a historical resentment which will probably never leave me.

However when it comes to dealing with an individual violent death of a 14 year old I still view this with regret. Let's not forget that I'm a former teacher and I worked with teenagers for many years.

It's a future lost and possibility a redemption lost too.

But like I say....this doesn't change my opinions on the madness of how we got here.


Edited by Stirlingsays (28 Nov 2019 12.41am)

Totally respect your viewpoint.
Mine is completely different having had to deal with it professionally and been on the receiving end in civvy street.
I don't/can't do empathy and pretty much feel you reap what you sow.

 

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View cryrst's Profile cryrst Flag The garden of England 28 Nov 19 5.51am Send a Private Message to cryrst Add cryrst as a friend

Originally posted by dollardays

I'm not sure that we need to conjure up an timeline where this kid is out stabbing people, to justify why this is a fate he somehow deserved. Of course if we view the kid as bad to the core we can easily not give a sh!t, but clearly that isn't likely the full picture and there are surely different considerations to factor in when someone makes bad decisions at 14 than say at 20 odd.

Nobody is forced to take drugs and nobody is forced to sell them. Many people in society don't take drugs, those that choose to prop up a demand that wouldn't be there without them. There isn't one side that's pure evil, and one that's victim through and through. They are all people making hopelessly bad decisions that they perceive holds some kind of benefit for them, when in reality it doesn't.

To expect someone at 14 to fully grasp what he's becoming part of when he's basically a trumped up delivery boy isn't realistic. It's probably a position he was effectively groomed for and it would be quite easy for a kid with bad guidance, and getting in with the wrong crowd to reason away what he's doing at that age. It's definitely a very bad path for all concerned, but it doesn't make him evil incarnate by any means or deserving of getting stabbed to death.

Edited by dollardays (27 Nov 2019 11.56pm)

I would hope his father would have reeled him in.

 

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View dannyboy1978's Profile dannyboy1978 Flag 28 Nov 19 6.20am Send a Private Message to dannyboy1978 Add dannyboy1978 as a friend

This is all a non argument.
Being angry or sympathetic won't change things but the hard facts are that boy knew driving an uninsured moped delivering drugs was wrong and society is better off without him, lives saved fact.

 

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deleted user Flag 28 Nov 19 1.31pm

Originally posted by cryrst

I would hope his father would have reeled him in.

Yes, even in tough environments, family play a key role and can quite literally be the difference between life and death.

 

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View PalazioVecchio's Profile PalazioVecchio Flag south pole 30 Nov 19 9.12am Send a Private Message to PalazioVecchio Add PalazioVecchio as a friend

this, seems to be in Croydon

 


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View Rudi Hedman's Profile Rudi Hedman Flag Caterham 30 Nov 19 11.22am Send a Private Message to Rudi Hedman Add Rudi Hedman as a friend

Oh my days!
What’s going on there anyway?
Why don’t people just disperse anymore when plod turn up?
What is it about that sound of those teenage girls squealing I hate?

 


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View ASCPFC's Profile ASCPFC Flag Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 30 Nov 19 11.58am Send a Private Message to ASCPFC Add ASCPFC as a friend

Originally posted by Rudi Hedman

Oh my days!
What’s going on there anyway?
Why don’t people just disperse anymore when plod turn up?
What is it about that sound of those teenage girls squealing I hate?

Arrest all of them, beat them up and drop them off on Bromley Common somewhere.

 


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View Rudi Hedman's Profile Rudi Hedman Flag Caterham 30 Nov 19 12.08pm Send a Private Message to Rudi Hedman Add Rudi Hedman as a friend

Originally posted by ASCPFC

Arrest all of them, beat them up and drop them off on Bromley Common somewhere.

Isle of sheppey. Miles better (worse), and miles further away.

 


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View Romford-Eagle's Profile Romford-Eagle Flag Romford 30 Nov 19 12.24pm Send a Private Message to Romford-Eagle Add Romford-Eagle as a friend

Why do black people have to be so confrontational, if told to go away by police, just go, and they wonder why racism is getting worse...

 

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View Rudi Hedman's Profile Rudi Hedman Flag Caterham 30 Nov 19 12.30pm Send a Private Message to Rudi Hedman Add Rudi Hedman as a friend

Stay off buses if you can.

 


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View ASCPFC's Profile ASCPFC Flag Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 30 Nov 19 12.31pm Send a Private Message to ASCPFC Add ASCPFC as a friend

Originally posted by Romford-Eagle

Why do black people have to be so confrontational, if told to go away by police, just go, and they wonder why racism is getting worse...

And everything has to be to the tune of rap gang music. Frankly pathetic but also ridiculous that we put up with it.
I will say that it is obviously not all black people. There are scumbags of all colours these days. Good and bad in all.

 


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