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Jamesey Wandsworth 14 Mar 19 11.14pm
Only one idiot on this thread so far...encouraging for anyone who believes that prosecuting our own army over what was obviously a civil war (although never admitted as such) is appalling. Soldier F is one too many and a disgraceful betrayal of loyal servicemen. Even worse is the fact that Blair totally sold out to the IRA in what was laughably called a peace agrement. Apparently the great statesman Blair seriously expected to be awarded a Nobel Peace Prize for his shocking capitulation to the IRA nearly all of whom, of course, have never even been threatened with legal action for the far worse atrociies they committed. This whole business of hounding UK military veterans and now on another note more sympathetic noises towards letting in the ISIS brood mare seriously make me wonder whether we are descending into collective madness in this country which I used to love and be proud to belong to. Edited by Jamesey (14 Mar 2019 11.18pm) Nothing is fool-proof - fools are too ingenious
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Wandsworth 14 Mar 19 11.14pm

Only one idiot on this thread so far...encouraging for anyone who believes that prosecuting our own army over what was obviously a civil war (although never admitted as such) is appalling.
Soldier F is one too many and a disgraceful betrayal of loyal servicemen.
Even worse is the fact that Blair totally sold out to the IRA in what was laughably called a peace agrement.
Apparently the great statesman Blair seriously expected to be awarded a Nobel Peace Prize for his shocking capitulation to the IRA nearly all of whom, of course, have never even been threatened with legal action for the far worse atrociies they committed.
This whole business of hounding UK military veterans and now on another note more sympathetic noises towards letting in the ISIS brood mare seriously make me wonder whether we are descending into collective madness in this country which I used to love and be proud to belong to.

Edited by Jamesey (14 Mar 2019 11.18pm)

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Mapletree Croydon 14 Mar 19 11.26pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays People have short memories. In WW2 we sent bombers over to Germany and we bombed civilians...because they were doing it to us.....Babies died horrible deaths in rubble who were as innocent as you can be. Did we send those airmen to jail? Where is the compensation for those babies? There is no fairness in war......The IRA were in that crowd. If you put armed soldiers in confrontational situations eventually people are going to die. You don't s*** on your own. Edited by Stirlingsays (14 Mar 2019 2.38pm) Was it not the RAF that started mass bombing of civilians in March 1940? I can�t understand why the RMPs weren�t all over this. Unarmed civilians shot in the back and when attending the wounded. There is no bravery in that, only cowardice. I am sure there was some armed threat but this has always appeared to me to be indiscriminate killing. I don�t think the paras were in fear for their lives, just angry and out of control. In any other sphere of life they would be held to account. They can�t be above the law. Edited by Mapletree (14 Mar 2019 11.32pm)
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Croydon 14 Mar 19 11.26pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

People have short memories.

In WW2 we sent bombers over to Germany and we bombed civilians...because they were doing it to us.....Babies died horrible deaths in rubble who were as innocent as you can be.

Did we send those airmen to jail? Where is the compensation for those babies?

There is no fairness in war......The IRA were in that crowd. If you put armed soldiers in confrontational situations eventually people are going to die.

You don't s*** on your own.

Edited by Stirlingsays (14 Mar 2019 2.38pm)

Was it not the RAF that started mass bombing of civilians in March 1940?

I can�t understand why the RMPs weren�t all over this. Unarmed civilians shot in the back and when attending the wounded. There is no bravery in that, only cowardice.

I am sure there was some armed threat but this has always appeared to me to be indiscriminate killing. I don�t think the paras were in fear for their lives, just angry and out of control. In any other sphere of life they would be held to account. They can�t be above the law.

Edited by Mapletree (14 Mar 2019 11.32pm)

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DanH SW2 14 Mar 19 11.28pm
Originally posted by Jamesey Only one idiot on this thread so far...encouraging for anyone who believes that prosecuting our own army over what was obviously a civil war (although never admitted as such) is appalling. Soldier F is one too many and a disgraceful betrayal of loyal servicemen. Even worse is the fact that Blair totally sold out to the IRA in what was laughably called a peace agrement. Apparently the great statesman Blair seriously expected to be awarded a Nobel Peace Prize for his shocking capitulation to the IRA nearly all of whom, of course, have never even been threatened with legal action for the far worse atrociies they committed. This whole business of hounding UK military veterans and now on another note more sympathetic noises towards letting in the ISIS brood mare seriously make me wonder whether we are descending into collective madness in this country which I used to love and be proud to belong to. Edited by Jamesey (14 Mar 2019 11.18pm) So alleged war crimes shouldn�t be properly investigated and taken to court just because it�s �one of our own�?
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SW2 14 Mar 19 11.28pm

Originally posted by Jamesey

Edited by Jamesey (14 Mar 2019 11.18pm)

So alleged war crimes shouldn�t be properly investigated and taken to court just because it�s �one of our own�?

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Jamesey Wandsworth 14 Mar 19 11.32pm
That makes it two... Nothing is fool-proof - fools are too ingenious
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Wandsworth 14 Mar 19 11.32pm

That makes it two...

Nothing is fool-proof - fools are too ingenious

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DanH SW2 14 Mar 19 11.41pm
Originally posted by Jamesey That makes it two... Fancy answering the question?
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SW2 14 Mar 19 11.41pm

Originally posted by Jamesey

That makes it two...

Fancy answering the question?

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ChrisGC Wantage 14 Mar 19 11.41pm
Originally posted by PalazioVecchio the Good Friday Agreement got one side to stop shouting 'No Surrender' and the other side to stop shouting 'Tiocfaidh ar L�'. There were violent scumbags on all sides. My theory on the peace process was that people watched the former Yugoslavia tear itself apart and thought 'no thanks'. sounds to me like you would welcome another 30 years of troubles ? Absolute bollocks. It wasn't 'troubles'. It was a bunch of gangsters selling drugs and murdering children. We should have crushed them rather than sign up to Good Friday. I'm all for amnesty on this one, but that's been thrown out the window now. If our boys go in front of the beak fair enough: so do theirs. No surrender.
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Wantage 14 Mar 19 11.41pm

Originally posted by PalazioVecchio

the Good Friday Agreement got one side to stop shouting 'No Surrender' and the other side to stop shouting 'Tiocfaidh ar L�'.

There were violent scumbags on all sides. My theory on the peace process was that people watched the former Yugoslavia tear itself apart and thought 'no thanks'.

sounds to me like you would welcome another 30 years of troubles ?

Absolute bollocks.

It wasn't 'troubles'. It was a bunch of gangsters selling drugs and murdering children. We should have crushed them rather than sign up to Good Friday.

I'm all for amnesty on this one, but that's been thrown out the window now. If our boys go in front of the beak fair enough: so do theirs.

No surrender.

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Mapletree Croydon 14 Mar 19 11.55pm
Originally posted by ChrisGC Absolute bollocks. It wasn't 'troubles'. It was a bunch of gangsters selling drugs and murdering children. We should have crushed them rather than sign up to Good Friday. I'm all for amnesty on this one, but that's been thrown out the window now. If our boys go in front of the beak fair enough: so do theirs. No surrender. I wonder why we never tried to crush them.
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Croydon 14 Mar 19 11.55pm

Originally posted by ChrisGC

Absolute bollocks.

It wasn't 'troubles'. It was a bunch of gangsters selling drugs and murdering children. We should have crushed them rather than sign up to Good Friday.

I'm all for amnesty on this one, but that's been thrown out the window now. If our boys go in front of the beak fair enough: so do theirs.

No surrender.

I wonder why we never tried to crush them.

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PalazioVecchio south pole 15 Mar 19 12.14am
Originally posted by ChrisGC Absolute bollocks. It wasn't 'troubles'. It was a bunch of gangsters selling drugs and murdering children. We should have crushed them rather than sign up to Good Friday. I'm all for amnesty on this one, but that's been thrown out the window now. If our boys go in front of the beak fair enough: so do theirs. No surrender. 'we should have crushed them'. who ? the ira, or all catholics ? how ? the tougher your tactics the more newcomers to the ira you recruit. Thats exactly what Bloody Sunday was. A massive recruitment campaign for the ira. Eze Peasy at Anfield....
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Originally posted by ChrisGC

Absolute bollocks.

It wasn't 'troubles'. It was a bunch of gangsters selling drugs and murdering children. We should have crushed them rather than sign up to Good Friday.

I'm all for amnesty on this one, but that's been thrown out the window now. If our boys go in front of the beak fair enough: so do theirs.

No surrender.

'we should have crushed them'.

who ? the ira, or all catholics ?

how ? the tougher your tactics the more newcomers to the ira you recruit. Thats exactly what Bloody Sunday was. A massive recruitment campaign for the ira.

Eze Peasy at Anfield....

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W12 15 Mar 19 6.37am
�Like giving out speeding tickets at the Indy 500� I think about 10% of casualties during the troubles were down to British forces. The Paras were trained killers to a much greater extent than other regiments in the British army (forming the bulk of SAS recruits). They were trained to fight hard and fast and ruthless and should never have been put in a position of policing a riot with live amunition. It was only ever going to end one way. I also think the provos got their pound of flesh at Warren Point.
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�Like giving out speeding tickets at the Indy 500�

I think about 10% of casualties during the troubles were down to British forces.

The Paras were trained killers to a much greater extent than other regiments in the British army (forming the bulk of SAS recruits). They were trained to fight hard and fast and ruthless and should never have been put in a position of policing a riot with live amunition. It was only ever going to end one way.

I also think the provos got their pound of flesh at Warren Point.

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Stirlingsays 15 Mar 19 6.49am
If the British were going to stay in NI then the actions for retaining NI and significantly lowering attacks are there....not amicable for everyone but nothing would have been. As the Jews have shown us......you build a massive wall and ensure that only your lot are on the one side of it....then suddenly attacks drop massively. Trade would have to have been reconfigured but the costs would have probably worked out less than what we went through. We should have never sent troops there, just ensured the unionists were well armed and have built the wall. But I guess that's why the Jews have higher IQs than most. Edited by Stirlingsays (15 Mar 2019 6.50am) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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15 Mar 19 6.49am

If the British were going to stay in NI then the actions for retaining NI and significantly lowering attacks are there....not amicable for everyone but nothing would have been.

As the Jews have shown us......you build a massive wall and ensure that only your lot are on the one side of it....then suddenly attacks drop massively.

Trade would have to have been reconfigured but the costs would have probably worked out less than what we went through.

We should have never sent troops there, just ensured the unionists were well armed and have built the wall.

But I guess that's why the Jews have higher IQs than most.

Edited by Stirlingsays (15 Mar 2019 6.50am)

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Stirlingsays 15 Mar 19 7.05am
Originally posted by Mapletree I wonder why we never tried to crush them. Democracy......it's about what you are prepared to do. The west has always been very capable of control, Alexander did it quite easily but brutally. China is doing it now. It isn't something I can support but the idea that we couldn't have done this and steamrolled the IRA is fanciful. We tied one arm behind our back......but likewise I'm not accepting of the body bags so other routes should have been pursued.....if we were going to keep the unionists there. Edited by Stirlingsays (15 Mar 2019 7.06am) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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15 Mar 19 7.05am

Originally posted by Mapletree

I wonder why we never tried to crush them.

Democracy......it's about what you are prepared to do.

The west has always been very capable of control, Alexander did it quite easily but brutally. China is doing it now.

It isn't something I can support but the idea that we couldn't have done this and steamrolled the IRA is fanciful.

We tied one arm behind our back......but likewise I'm not accepting of the body bags so other routes should have been pursued.....if we were going to keep the unionists there.

Edited by Stirlingsays (15 Mar 2019 7.06am)

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ChrisGC Wantage 15 Mar 19 7.24am
Originally posted by PalazioVecchio 'we should have crushed them'. who ? the ira, or all catholics ? how ? the tougher your tactics the more newcomers to the ira you recruit. Thats exactly what Bloody Sunday was. A massive recruitment campaign for the ira. For information, I'm from a family of Irish Catholics and was brought up as such. I'm unsure why you're bringing religion into it. By crush, arrest and try. They were all grasses at the end, apparently Adams and McGuiness the biggest.
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Wantage 15 Mar 19 7.24am

Originally posted by PalazioVecchio

'we should have crushed them'.

who ? the ira, or all catholics ?

how ? the tougher your tactics the more newcomers to the ira you recruit. Thats exactly what Bloody Sunday was. A massive recruitment campaign for the ira.

For information, I'm from a family of Irish Catholics and was brought up as such. I'm unsure why you're bringing religion into it.

By crush, arrest and try. They were all grasses at the end, apparently Adams and McGuiness the biggest.

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