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 Stirlingsays Online  23 Mar 19 11.11am |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
Of course it was 'done'. Humans 'done' it. You could argue that it was inevitable given the dog eat dog nature of capitalism but there really is no actual need for it. It's not about need, more greed, and greed, according to scientists, is a sin. It's a fib anyway. There are several examples, which I have regularly put forward, of successful capitalist countries that haven't implemented 'globalism' as meaning the acceptance of mass immigration.
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| Stirlingsays Online 23 Mar 19 11.13am |
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Originally posted by Mapletree
The Scottish Enlightenment thinkers. Edited by Mapletree (23 Mar 2019 11.10am) Isn't that a contradiction in terms? (said with affection for our drunken friends)
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Pussay Patrol  23 Mar 19 11.38am |
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Originally posted by ChrisGC
The 'right' FFS. Nobody should have the right to waltz into a foreign land and live and work. I am all for restrictions on movement, I don't understand how you can wield restricting masses of people from access to your labour market, health care and social safety nets (either way) as a bad thing. Just so we're clear You don't want free access to european countries? you would rather fill out forms and pay fees? you don't want the opportunity to work and live abroad? You prefer it taken away? And all your family and relatives? and if they wanted to visit europe or retire in the sun? You don't want them to be allowed to do that? ship them all home? I never realised Brexit was about losing so much
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PalazioVecchio  south pole 23 Mar 19 11.46am |
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Originally posted by ChrisGC
I am all for restrictions on movement, I don't understand how you can wield restricting masses of people from access to your labour market, health care and social safety nets (either way) as a bad thing. because lefties live in cloud cuckoo land. A land of free money for all, zillions immigrating into a land and yet still having affordable housing, millions of single men entering a land and yet still has a fair and equitable gender equality, free housing and dole for scroungers and yet still fair for those who choose to work for a living..... you want to see the future of the UK ? look to places like Thornton Heath.
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| ChrisGC Wantage 23 Mar 19 11.48am |
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Originally posted by Pussay Patrol
Just so we're clear You don't want free access to european countries? you would rather fill out forms and pay fees? you don't want the opportunity to work and live abroad? You prefer it taken away? And all your family and relatives? and if they wanted to visit europe or retire in the sun? You don't want them to be allowed to do that? ship them all home? I never realised Brexit was about losing so much As a reciprocal arrangement, yes. As someone who works on both the continent and outside the EU in a skilled profession applying for and paying for visas isn't a barrier. I'm all for that level of control no matter the reason for travel. Both incoming and outgoing migration should be stringently controlled and strict criteria applied. If people want to 'retire to the sun' it's wholely appropriate that they are going to be of benefit to that host country. Vice versa, in all circumstances whether for work, lifestyle or retirement. It's fair and reasonable to hav a controlled process. Edited by ChrisGC (23 Mar 2019 11.58am)
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| ChrisGC Wantage 23 Mar 19 11.50am |
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Originally posted by Pussay Patrol
Just so we're clear You don't want free access to european countries? you would rather fill out forms and pay fees? you don't want the opportunity to work and live abroad? You prefer it taken away? And all your family and relatives? and if they wanted to visit europe or retire in the sun? You don't want them to be allowed to do that? ship them all home? It isn't. And it was leavers who were supposedly lied to...
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| dannyboy1978 23 Mar 19 12.00pm |
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Originally posted by Pussay Patrol
Just so we're clear You don't want free access to european countries? you would rather fill out forms and pay fees? you don't want the opportunity to work and live abroad? You prefer it taken away? And all your family and relatives? and if they wanted to visit europe or retire in the sun? You don't want them to be allowed to do that? ship them all home? I never realised Brexit was about losing so much NO NO NO AND NO. Not when we have to take many many more in return. moderation. ! You wouldn't let a fat kid carry on eating sweets, it's the same with cheap labour, to much of a good thing is bad.
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| Pussay Patrol 23 Mar 19 4.40pm |
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Originally posted by dannyboy1978
NO NO NO AND NO. Not when we have to take many many more in return. moderation. ! You wouldn't let a fat kid carry on eating sweets, it's the same with cheap labour, to much of a good thing is bad. Yeah but you have to personally pay the price for it, rather than change in legislation which the government could have enacted. They played on the misconceptions the public bought into, like our borders are out of control. I think the Tories have a master plan of deregulation and rights, just needed a mandate from the public. You have to give up your rights, freedoms and take a financial hit because of some grand idea that we would prosper despite no plan or evidence that would be the case By the way you argued one of the benefits of Brexit was wage inflation, I asked you if your wages went up. No reply, Case closed
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| ChrisGC Wantage 23 Mar 19 4.50pm |
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Originally posted by Pussay Patrol
Yeah but you have to personally pay the price for it, rather than change in legislation which the government could have enacted. They played on the misconceptions the public bought into, like our borders are out of control. I think the Tories have a master plan of deregulation and rights, just needed a mandate from the public. You have to give up your rights, freedoms and take a financial hit because of some grand idea that we would prosper despite no plan or evidence that would be the case By the way you argued one of the benefits of Brexit was wage inflation, I asked you if your wages went up. No reply, Case closed None of this makes any sense.
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| Pussay Patrol 23 Mar 19 4.56pm |
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Originally posted by ChrisGC
As a reciprocal arrangement, yes. As someone who works on both the continent and outside the EU in a skilled profession applying for and paying for visas isn't a barrier. I'm all for that level of control no matter the reason for travel. Both incoming and outgoing migration should be stringently controlled and strict criteria applied. If people want to 'retire to the sun' it's wholely appropriate that they are going to be of benefit to that host country. Vice versa, in all circumstances whether for work, lifestyle or retirement. It's fair and reasonable to hav a controlled process. Edited by ChrisGC (23 Mar 2019 11.58am) why wouldn't they? They buy property, spend money. The reason it is so popular is because of the ease and freedom to be able to do so. The PIGS are heavily dependant on tourism and it's been a massive benefit to their economies. It's been a benefit to all, it's progress and your idea of going back to over-regulation is just regressive.
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| ChrisGC Wantage 23 Mar 19 5.09pm |
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Originally posted by Pussay Patrol
why wouldn't they? They buy property, spend money. The reason it is so popular is because of the ease and freedom to be able to do so. The PIGS are heavily dependant on tourism and it's been a massive benefit to their economies. It's been a benefit to all, it's progress and your idea of going back to over-regulation is just regressive. Yes, that sounds fantastic. What's in it for us? You talk a lot about the benefits to THEIR economy. I'm not talking about over regulation. I'm talking about the very bare minimum. Edited by ChrisGC (23 Mar 2019 5.09pm)
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| PalazioVecchio south pole 23 Mar 19 5.09pm |
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Originally posted by Pussay Patrol
People with a cultural background totally at variance with most UK values. With some dinosaur attitudes towards gays, women, democracy, secularism, antisemitism etc etc.
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