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View Rudi Hedman's Profile Rudi Hedman Flag Caterham 02 Jun 19 10.53am Send a Private Message to Rudi Hedman Add Rudi Hedman as a friend

Originally posted by Tom-the-eagle

Just to clarify:

Joshua did not swerve Wilder. An offer was put to Wilder which was turned down by the Wilder.

Joshua will be fighting for his old belts in his next fight as he has already stated that he wishes to activate the re-match clause.

In regards to what AJ brings to the table (with or without belts) is the potential for Wilder to make way more money than ever before due to AJ's box office sales. 8 thousand Brits flew out to watch lasts night fight. Wilder has had tile fights in his own back yard where he has not manged to get 8 thousand fans. In boxing money talks.

Spot on. Wilder was deluding himself he deserved more of a % cut in a Joshua v Wilder fight. Personally they should compromise more and get these fights done, but this is as much about the promoters and business managers and their reputations and finances as it is the boxers. A shame that such a great sport when the contests are even is controlled and manipulated in this way but they’ve all got their beaks in the pot so it’s to be expected, as is football tournaments and world cups being held in low populated countries with huge wealth or offering big money.

I’m not interested in razmataz, just the sport, and as raw as possible, but everything good gets spoilt by greed.

 


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deleted user Flag 02 Jun 19 11.52am

Originally posted by the.universal

I read on the bbc before the fight that this was the first training camp that AJ didn’t feel ‘burnt out’ from. Maybe on reflection that hints at cutting a few corners in his preparation.

Yes, I expect getting into the right mindset for what was supposed to be a walkover becomes a lot to process when you realise it's not. In fairness to him, he's never overly bothered with endurance his whole career, because he's rarely needed it . If he'd knocked Ruiz out in round 3 like he almost did, we wouldn't be having this conversation so it's a strategy that's served him well so far. Back to the drawing board now though perhaps.

He was out on his feet after those two early knockdowns and I don't think he recovered. Beyond that, Ruiz is not only strong, but has deceptively fast reflexes and a tight defense for a fat guy. I just thought AJ would figure out his style and make fast work of this, but that just didn't ever happen. Still, I'm sure he'll be back. Out of all of the heavyweights on the scene he's one of the more respectful and disciplined with tremendous knockout power so I'll be cheering him on in the rematch.. if it happens.

 

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Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards View Hrolf The Ganger's Profile Hrolf The Ganger Flag 02 Jun 19 12.14pm Send a Private Message to Hrolf The Ganger Add Hrolf The Ganger as a friend

I'm afraid this fight confirms what I always feared about Joshua. He isn't very good.
His boxing is mediocre and he goes into panic mode when he gets hit. Ruiz exposed his lack of ability.

Out of the big three, only Fury can box. The current heavyweight renaissance is largely based on smoke and mirrors.

 

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View Willo's Profile Willo Flag South coast - west of Brighton. 02 Jun 19 12.15pm Send a Private Message to Willo Add Willo as a friend

Originally posted by dollardays

Yes, I expect getting into the right mindset for what was supposed to be a walkover becomes a lot to process when you realise it's not. In fairness to him, he's never overly bothered with endurance his whole career, because he's rarely needed it . If he'd knocked Ruiz out in round 3 like he almost did, we wouldn't be having this conversation so it's a strategy that's served him well so far. Back to the drawing board now though perhaps.

He was out on his feet after those two early knockdowns and I don't think he recovered. Beyond that, Ruiz is not only strong, but has deceptively fast reflexes and a tight defense for a fat guy. I just thought AJ would figure out his style and make fast work of this, but that just didn't ever happen. Still, I'm sure he'll be back. Out of all of the heavyweights on the scene he's one of the more respectful and disciplined with tremendous knockout power so I'll be cheering him on in the rematch.. if it happens.

To think that Ruiz floored Joshua 4 times and he was a fighter with not that high a KO percentage - Only 64%.
Was also down to an ageing Klitschko so his punch resistance has come under scrutiny.

I suppose there will be a lot of knee-jerk reactions after this defeat but I have always felt that the hype has been greater than the substance.

Edited by Willo (02 Jun 2019 12.17pm)

 

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Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards View Hrolf The Ganger's Profile Hrolf The Ganger Flag 02 Jun 19 12.17pm Send a Private Message to Hrolf The Ganger Add Hrolf The Ganger as a friend

I was very surprised by the Katie Taylor fight. She was not her usual self. The occasion seemed to get to her.

 

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View Maine Eagle's Profile Maine Eagle Flag USA 02 Jun 19 2.21pm Send a Private Message to Maine Eagle Add Maine Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

I was very surprised by the Katie Taylor fight. She was not her usual self. The occasion seemed to get to her.

She was very lucky to get that decision.

 


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View Maine Eagle's Profile Maine Eagle Flag USA 02 Jun 19 2.26pm Send a Private Message to Maine Eagle Add Maine Eagle as a friend

I wondered about Joshua at the moment Klitschko was stopped. He barely celebrated, he just walked back to his corner with a sort of rye smile.

The way he took the defeat last night might show a bit of a lack of passion for the game.

As for the fight, he showed way too much respect to Ruiz in the 1st round and let the Mexican get confident.

When you have an enormous reach advantage not sticking the jab is criminal. He barely threw the jab all night and apart from the knock down he landed no power shots whatsoever.

Strange performance and I question his desire for boxing.

 


Trump lost. Badly. Hahahahahahaha.

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View Stirlingsays's Profile Stirlingsays Flag 02 Jun 19 3.25pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by Maine Eagle

I wondered about Joshua at the moment Klitschko was stopped. He barely celebrated, he just walked back to his corner with a sort of rye smile.

The way he took the defeat last night might show a bit of a lack of passion for the game.

As for the fight, he showed way too much respect to Ruiz in the 1st round and let the Mexican get confident.

When you have an enormous reach advantage not sticking the jab is criminal. He barely threw the jab all night and apart from the knock down he landed no power shots whatsoever.

Strange performance and I question his desire for boxing.

Seconded.

It was a weird one.

 


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Originally posted by Maine Eagle

I wondered about Joshua at the moment Klitschko was stopped. He barely celebrated, he just walked back to his corner with a sort of rye smile.

The way he took the defeat last night might show a bit of a lack of passion for the game.

As for the fight, he showed way too much respect to Ruiz in the 1st round and let the Mexican get confident.

When you have an enormous reach advantage not sticking the jab is criminal. He barely threw the jab all night and apart from the knock down he landed no power shots whatsoever.

Strange performance and I question his desire for boxing.


It's all an act from AJ nothing to do with not having passion inside he would of been shocked.

AJ has been sleep walking for a long time and been looked after this is why he really has not gone up against the likes of Fury/Wilder Eddie Hearn is the problem.

A few people I know that have been in boxing game for long time have been saying his training is all wrong he should be improving boxing skills yet he is going backwards way to stiff like a robot burning of too much energy with carrying too much muscle.

 


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View Badger11's Profile Badger11 Flag Beckenham 02 Jun 19 4.36pm Send a Private Message to Badger11 Add Badger11 as a friend

Originally posted by grumpymort


It's all an act from AJ nothing to do with not having passion inside he would of been shocked.

AJ has been sleep walking for a long time and been looked after this is why he really has not gone up against the likes of Fury/Wilder Eddie Hearn is the problem.

A few people I know that have been in boxing game for long time have been saying his training is all wrong he should be improving boxing skills yet he is going backwards way to stiff like a robot burning of too much energy with carrying too much muscle.

I agree with a lot of this especially about the jab for a big man he doesn't seem very effective with it as he should. He does need to think about his training and maybe switch to a new trainer he has all the attributes but as you say he seems to have been going backwards lately.

 


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Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards View Hrolf The Ganger's Profile Hrolf The Ganger Flag 02 Jun 19 4.52pm Send a Private Message to Hrolf The Ganger Add Hrolf The Ganger as a friend

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Seconded.

It was a weird one.

Weird or fixed?

 

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ChrisGC Flag Wantage 02 Jun 19 4.54pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

Weird or fixed?

There's less humiliating ways to throw a fight.

 

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