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View DANGERCLOSE's Profile DANGERCLOSE Flag london 20 Oct 20 11.47pm Send a Private Message to DANGERCLOSE Add DANGERCLOSE as a friend

I blame pardew

 

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View Canterbury Palace's Profile Canterbury Palace Flag Whitstable 21 Oct 20 12.08am Send a Private Message to Canterbury Palace Add Canterbury Palace as a friend

In my opinion Alan Pardew's early success with us was built on the firmly embedded defensive organisation that lingered on after the Pulis reign the previous season, he merely injected us with the attacking adrenaline shot that he, the ultimate impact manager, can give.

Months later that inherited defensive steel crumbled to dust and it became patently clear that he couldn't organise a defence to save his life. That was why we saw his spell in two violenty contrasting halves, the first when our form was that of a European qualifier and the second, relegation candidates. If he hadn't gone we would 100% have gone down that season.

He is a fraud of a manager and, from all accounts, is also a dreadful bloke. The son of a former Newcastle director was a client of mine briefly and told me some horror stories about his antics at the club. They were apparently thrilled to get rid of him in the end and, from the sounds of it, we were lucky to do the same.

For the record I am now strongly in favour of Roy departing. Though his brand of football is undeniably effective, the game has moved on and we stick out as the worst side to watch in the division. Saturday afternoon's have become akin to having a dementor suck out your soul. However, Pardew vs. Hodgson shouldn't even be in question as the latter is superior in almost every aspect, whether in terms of experience, knowledge, general managerial ability or just as a gentleman.

Edited by Canterbury Palace (21 Oct 2020 12.08am)

 


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Originally posted by Canterbury Palace

In my opinion Alan Pardew's early success with us was built on the firmly embedded defensive organisation that lingered on after the Pulis reign the previous season, he merely injected us with the attacking adrenaline shot that he, the ultimate impact manager, can give.

Months later that inherited defensive steel crumbled to dust and it became patently clear that he couldn't organise a defence to save his life. That was why we saw his spell in two violenty contrasting halves, the first when our form was that of a European qualifier and the second, relegation candidates. If he hadn't gone we would 100% have gone down that season.

He is a fraud of a manager and, from all accounts, is also a dreadful bloke. The son of a former Newcastle director was a client of mine briefly and told me some horror stories about his antics at the club. They were apparently thrilled to get rid of him in the end and, from the sounds of it, we were lucky to do the same.

For the record I am now strongly in favour of Roy departing. Though his brand of football is undeniably effective, the game has moved on and we stick out as the worst side to watch in the division. Saturday afternoon's have become akin to having a dementor suck out your soul. However, Pardew vs. Hodgson shouldn't even be in question as the latter is superior in almost every aspect, whether in terms of experience, knowledge, general managerial ability or just as a gentleman.

Edited by Canterbury Palace (21 Oct 2020 12.08am)

Although I'm not Roy's biggest fan I have to agree that I will not have him compared to Pardew.... Remember that news of the world story about a Premiership manager who was having an affair and texting his bit on the side about how boring training his players was??... Now Obviously from a legal standpoint I'm not saying it was Pardew but who knows hey????!!!

Pards was a big time Charley who didn't like any players who were bigger than him, hence the dropping of Speroni, Murray and Jedinak... I dont ever claim to be in the know but one thing I do know is that Pardew and Jedi hated each other..

 


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View DANGERCLOSE's Profile DANGERCLOSE Flag london 21 Oct 20 10.11am Send a Private Message to DANGERCLOSE Add DANGERCLOSE as a friend

Originally posted by kennybrowns leftfoot

Although I'm not Roy's biggest fan I have to agree that I will not have him compared to Pardew.... Remember that news of the world story about a Premiership manager who was having an affair and texting his bit on the side about how boring training his players was??... Now Obviously from a legal standpoint I'm not saying it was Pardew but who knows hey????!!!

Pards was a big time Charley who didn't like any players who were bigger than him, hence the dropping of Speroni, Murray and Jedinak... I dont ever claim to be in the know but one thing I do know is that Pardew and Jedi hated each other..

Pards was a big time Charley..Agreed

 

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View rikz's Profile rikz Flag Croydon 21 Oct 20 10.47am Send a Private Message to rikz Add rikz as a friend

Pardew is a better manager than Roy, on paper our most successful manager behind Sir Steve not that that's a hard achievement. Pardew was under pressure to deliver a more expansive style of football, even on the terrible run we was competitive in every game, not having back up for soure was his downfall.

Yeah we are hard to beat and well organised under Hodgson but with our squad and playing 442 with 2 dms is that honestly that hard in this division ? Most teams are relegated through leaking goals but surely our squad is good enough to try and win games instead of trying to nick points all the time.

Under Hodgson we are underachieving not by that much but come on its a competitive sport at the end of the day, id rather get relegated trying to win than trying not to lose and there's no way its going to change under Hodgson.

 

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jeeagles Flag 21 Oct 20 11.26am

In Pardew's last game the back 5 were

Hennessey, Ward, Delaney, Dann, Kelly (Friars 84).

Roy has been a lot more fortunate in that regard.

 

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View Eaglecoops's Profile Eaglecoops Flag CR3 21 Oct 20 11.43am Send a Private Message to Eaglecoops Add Eaglecoops as a friend

I think it is impossible to compare the two. You have the best of attacking and the worst of defending and vice versa. If you were to combine the strengths of the two then maybe we would be onto something. Knowing us we would probably get the manager with the combined weaknesses. Sorry, I forgot we already had that with FDB.

 

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View Tickled pink's Profile Tickled pink Flag Cornwall 21 Oct 20 5.43pm Send a Private Message to Tickled pink Add Tickled pink as a friend

Originally posted by HesHereHesThere

Pardew sold him...Murray Played in Pardews first game at Dover...Warnocks lost it and his eyebrows

..very unnecessary and Pardew made two huge mistakes with losing Murray and keeping Hennessey in goal, he was basically a total idiot.

 

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Originally posted by jeeagles

In Pardew's last game the back 5 were

Hennessey, Ward, Delaney, Dann, Kelly (Friars 84).

Roy has been a lot more fortunate in that regard.

Hodgson would not be able to save us with that lot, not a chance.

 

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View est1905's Profile est1905 Flag 21 Oct 20 5.50pm Send a Private Message to est1905 Add est1905 as a friend

Originally posted by Lanzo-Ad

Why is Hodgson better than Pardew, both never won anything worth winning, both been sacked regularly, Pardew gung ho, Hodgson ultra defensive,
Pardew Pl 87-w35-d13-l39 40.2%.
Hodgson Pl 76-w27-d17-l32 35.5%.
Hodgson with better players, who is better?

Hodgson by a mile. Pardew was taking us down. Hodgson has kept us up against all odds (0 points, 0 goals in first 8 games) when he rescued us from Frank the crank.
You want to stay at the top table and slowly but surely improve infrastructure throughout?
The alternative is back to the Championship where it might be more entertaining and we will win more often but progress will be frozen and financially we'll be living hand to mouth.
Everyone is entitle to their opinion but I know what I prefer.

 

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View silvertop's Profile silvertop Flag Portishead 21 Oct 20 9.05pm Send a Private Message to silvertop Add silvertop as a friend

Originally posted by Tickled pink

..very unnecessary and Pardew made two huge mistakes with losing Murray and keeping Hennessey in goal, he was basically a total idiot.

Selling Murray was parish's fault and he has held his hand up to it as one of his biggest errors.

That said while I defended him while in office I now heartily concur with your assessment of that knob-out

 

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jeeagles Flag 21 Oct 20 9.17pm

Originally posted by est1905

Hodgson by a mile. Pardew was taking us down. Hodgson has kept us up against all odds (0 points, 0 goals in first 8 games) when he rescued us from Frank the crank.
You want to stay at the top table and slowly but surely improve infrastructure throughout?
The alternative is back to the Championship where it might be more entertaining and we will win more often but progress will be frozen and financially we'll be living hand to mouth.
Everyone is entitle to their opinion but I know what I prefer.

Hodgson came in after 4 games with a team that finished the previous season in great form and got to the cup final the year before. They have brought in £80m worth of players in the previous 6 months.

Of those 4 games, we only really would have expected to lose 2. It wasn't a great deficit to catch up.

There's only so long he can trade off that success.

Pardew may have been taking us down. But Hodgson has won 2 in 13 games (against two teams that played 1 friendly each).

Pardew won 3 of his last 13 games gaining 11 points to Roy's 8.

In Pardew's last games Kelly regularly had a nightmare trying to fill in the left back role after Souare's accident and Hennessey always had a mistake in him. We pretty much started games 1-0 down.

At the moment, Hodgson's form is worst than Pardew's last games and a damn site less entertaining with a much better side.

Not trying to protect Pardew, he had to go.

 

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