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View NickinOX's Profile NickinOX Flag Sailing country. 04 Apr 19 10.00pm Send a Private Message to NickinOX Add NickinOX as a friend

Originally posted by Lanzo-Ad

Why is Hodgson better than Pardew, both never won anything worth winning, both been sacked regularly, Pardew gung ho, Hodgson ultra defensive,
Pardew Pl 87-w35-d13-l39 40.2%.
Hodgson Pl 76-w27-d17-l32 35.5%.
Hodgson with better players, who is better?

Try doing that with league results.

Pardew: p73 88pts ppg = 1.20. W34.2% L47.9%
Roy: p66 80pts ppg = 1.21. W31.8% L42.4%

Roys lost players, has had pretty much no money to spend, and inherited a team bereft of form, confidence, and had a huge injury crisis to deal with. Hes had no striker fit for the purpose either.

Pardew got to spend a fair amount of money, and had inherited a functional team with a lot of fight: which by the time he left was ruined and unfit.

Sam: p21 26pts ppg = 1.24.
Pulis: p26 38pts ppg = 1.46.

Sam got a bunch of money to spend, and results only truly improved when Sahko was in the team.

 


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View Tickled pink's Profile Tickled pink Flag Cornwall 05 Apr 19 11.18am Send a Private Message to Tickled pink Add Tickled pink as a friend

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

The manager is always secondary to the players in terms of performance.
The fact is that we have not spent enough money in the last two windows and we have gone backward. Our squad is flimsy as shown when we lose Sakho.

It always puzzles me why fans always blame the manager when the truth is so easy to see.

Hodgson does tend to play the negative game against the top teams but that is realism I suppose. He knows that our best chance to get something from those games is to play it tight and hope for a lucky break. When that fails, it looks awful like against Spurs and Chelsea but when it works like against City, it looks like a masterstroke.

It is very irritating.

 

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View Tickled pink's Profile Tickled pink Flag Cornwall 05 Apr 19 11.25am Send a Private Message to Tickled pink Add Tickled pink as a friend

Originally posted by NickinOX

Try doing that with league results.

Pardew: p73 88pts ppg = 1.20. W34.2% L47.9%
Roy: p66 80pts ppg = 1.21. W31.8% L42.4%

Roys lost players, has had pretty much no money to spend, and inherited a team bereft of form, confidence, and had a huge injury crisis to deal with. Hes had no striker fit for the purpose either.

Pardew got to spend a fair amount of money, and had inherited a functional team with a lot of fight: which by the time he left was ruined and unfit.

Sam: p21 26pts ppg = 1.24.
Pulis: p26 38pts ppg = 1.46.

Sam got a bunch of money to spend, and results only truly improved when Sahko was in the team.


Pardew achieved much excitement, this must not be overlooked ..for both sets of fans in almost every game lol

Edited by Tickled pink (05 Apr 2019 11.27am)

 

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View xomnea's Profile xomnea Flag 05 Apr 19 12.25pm Send a Private Message to xomnea Add xomnea as a friend

Players win you games, managers lose them. During the dreadful Pardew run I could not believe the amount of individual errors/missed chances that were costing us.
Rarely do I walk away from a win and go, Roy Hodgson was excellent today.

 

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View Rachid Rachid Rachid's Profile Rachid Rachid Rachid Flag 05 Apr 19 9.44pm Send a Private Message to Rachid Rachid Rachid Add Rachid Rachid Rachid as a friend

Pardew did brilliantly for a while and commanded a level of respect. The signing of Cabaye at a decent price was also big step for the club but he seems all over the place in terms of his personality and ability to maintain trust and respect. Roy is different class by comparison.

 

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View Vaibow's Profile Vaibow Flag vancouver/croydon 06 Apr 19 1.00am Send a Private Message to Vaibow Add Vaibow as a friend

Originally posted by Lanzo-Ad

Why is Hodgson better than Pardew, both never won anything worth winning, both been sacked regularly, Pardew gung ho, Hodgson ultra defensive,
Pardew Pl 87-w35-d13-l39 40.2%.
Hodgson Pl 76-w27-d17-l32 35.5%.
Hodgson with better players, who is better?

the stats don't show the bigger picture or can be tilted either way, what i mean by that is, whilst Roy is lower, i feel safer in Roy's hands (ohh lovely) and Pardew has amazing spells followed by crap spells. I dunno, it's an interesting debate, i think it boils down to - would we accept a swap of Roy for Pards, i can imagine a lot of us would say no!

I think if Pardew was able to keep Cabaye as the bench mark and we didn't need to break the bank for benteke then later Sako, i feel he jsut jumped the shark a bit and it damaged us, parish was to blame too.

A decent scouting network should have been #1 priority in 2014, that's our first mistake really.

 


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Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards View Maine Eagle's Profile Maine Eagle Flag USA 06 Apr 19 3.28am Send a Private Message to Maine Eagle Add Maine Eagle as a friend

Chalk and cheese.

Totally different people, and football managers.

Pardew is too far down one road, while Roy is too far down the other.

You need some of Pardew like having some guts, having a go at teams, and taking the shackles off.....

But you want a bit of Roy in there, solid shape when out of possession and well drilled.

You need to strike a balance. If we could strike that balance we could be much higher up the league table, and approaching an FA cup semi final.

You know what both are s*** at though? Coming up with a plan b when plan a isnt working out, during a game.

 


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View Sansbup's Profile Sansbup Flag Normandy 06 Apr 19 2.50pm Send a Private Message to Sansbup Add Sansbup as a friend

Pardew ripped the heart out of our team. He had no idea about sensible subs. And he lost every single game for about two years.
Huge difference between him and Roy. I've only just about recovered from Pardew.

One of those is an exaggeration...

 

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View ASCPFC's Profile ASCPFC Flag Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 06 Apr 19 4.23pm Send a Private Message to ASCPFC Add ASCPFC as a friend

This would not be the best undercard at the next Joshua fight.

 


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View Cy Bais's Profile Cy Bais Flag Minneapolis MN 07 Apr 19 9.31pm Send a Private Message to Cy Bais Add Cy Bais as a friend

Originally posted by Bangell

Pardew's first year in charge was excellent, but eventually showed that he had no idea how to organise a team. We were an absolute shambles towards the end, especially defensively.

Hodgson has the opposite problem - overly rigid, inflexible, and cautious. Still, given a choice between the two, Hodgson will get you just enough to stay up whereas with Pardew it's a complete gamble.

^^ Wish we can mix the two traits in one. That would be my perfect manager. From what i remember, Pardew didn't know when to park the bus to protect a lead or secure a point. Whereas, Roy would be too defensive at times when the occasion calls for the opposite. :-)

 

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Pardew got rid of Murray as thought he was past his sell by date. A mistake that has cost the club millions of ... pretty sure Roy would never have done that!

 

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View Eaglecoops's Profile Eaglecoops Flag CR3 08 Apr 19 11.43am Send a Private Message to Eaglecoops Add Eaglecoops as a friend

Originally posted by KAOS

Pardew got rid of Murray as thought he was past his sell by date. A mistake that has cost the club millions of ... pretty sure Roy would never have done that!

This Murray thing has gone on for far too long. When we sold him the vast majority of Palace fans including those on these boards thought he was past his best and that the money we received was fantastic for an aging forward. You simply cannot run a football club on hindsight so whilst it has turned out that he has had a wonderful twilight to his career, you cannot say that another manager would have known this was going to happen.

 

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