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View Master Coin's Profile Master Coin Flag Southampton 16 Apr 19 9.32am Send a Private Message to Master Coin Add Master Coin as a friend

The issue we have is that weíve repeatedly failed in the transfer market. Most clubs hit on a couple of players occasionally which they can sell for a profit. Weíve not sold anybody outside of Bolasie for ages. Exclusively signing and not propping up the balance sheet with the odd big player sale is not sustainable.

Itís the main reason Iím accepting weíll sell AWB. As good as he is, heís a right back and they arenít the most pivotal position on the pitch. As much as I love AWB if I had the choice of AWB and no signings or starting Ward at RB and reinvesting say £60m on a new central midfielder and striker Iíd take the latter.

 

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View Bexley Eagle's Profile Bexley Eagle Flag Bexley Kent 16 Apr 19 9.47am Send a Private Message to Bexley Eagle Add Bexley Eagle as a friend

I agree. If Utd or anyone come in with an offer 50 mil + then we will sell. I would take 50 mil plus Fosu-Mensah for AWB. The only trouble is I have no confidence in our talent spotting ability to not waste it.

 

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View Ketteridge's Profile Ketteridge Flag Brighton 16 Apr 19 10.58am Send a Private Message to Ketteridge Add Ketteridge as a friend

Originally posted by Vaibow

Thing is, we chop and change, which is expensive.

We get in Holloway, we go up. He signs players, how he came about them is a whole different story.

Pulis comes in, does a remarkable job - he too signs players, Dann, Ledley and Henenrsey and the job is done we have a respectable finish.

He then wants to implement his team - Campbell, Kelly.

Then he's gone - Warnock comes in, very different manager. He brings in players like Zaha, Fryers and McArthur.

Then we get Pardew and a whole different breed of player comes in. The likes of Cabaye, Wickham, Mutch, Souare, McCarthy, followed by Tomkins, Townsend, Mandana, Remy.

Then Fat Sam - PVA, Luca, Sakho, Schlupp.

So already, it's a mix and match. How many of these players were veiwed as potential first teamers and paid so, but gone AWOL.

Suffice to say, this summer should be the result of a long hard scouting period where players are sold, moved on, replaced.
Roy stamps his mark on the squad and has 2 years to work on it.
changing a manager now is just going to add to that depressing list.

Chopping and changing styles cost money but that hasnít happened at Palace, if you were to group every premier league manager along a line from organised and defensive to free flowing and creative then Warnock, Alladyce and Pulis would all be up one end along Dyche and Mourinho. Hodgson would be probably not be too far along . With Pardew we still had an effective counter attacking team until he tried to turn us into a more possession based attacking team and the defence fell apart.
Most of the players you list are still with us and would be first teamers or seen as god squad players, Hennessey, Dann , Kelly, Zaha, McArthur, Wickham, Townsend, Tomkins, Schlupp, PVA, Luka, Sakho. Not sure what has happened to Wickham since his return but looks like he is in Hodgson's plans. Ledley was solid but upgrade by Cabaye and moved on, Campbell went the same way, Soure had his horrific injury but has been upgraded anyway.
Fryers,Iíll add Sorloth and Riedweld to this, were a gamble on youth that didnít pay off. McCarthy had a terrible started and was shot for confidence and sold on by Pardew , Mandana never settled and moved neither of which was not due to change in manager preference. Cabaye performed consistently and was chosen under several managers and he moved on for a big pay off.
You point makes sense for Mutch and Chung-Yong ,in that Pardew wanted to change us from a counter attacking team to a possession based team. Both were attacking more creative players brought by Pardew that never really worked for us and Alladyce was never going to play them. My fear would be Max Myer might go the same way, someone we want to break down organised defences but canít quite work out how to fit him in.
Finally Benteke, he looked like he was an upgrade on the big number 9 from Cameron Jerome, Campbell, Wickham to the ultimate big lad up front Benteke. First year he did well but then his confidence went he still does most things you want from a number 9 except the important one score. You could argue that with Zaha and Townsend being encouraged to come inside it has meant less balls into the box but he been consistently picked by successive manager and if starts scoring again he will be picked.
The reason we have not kicked on over the last few years is we havenít had a fit or decent forward, Wickham has only just returned Benteke has lacked confidence and been out regularly and Sorloth wasnít up to it. If we had taken our chances against Cardiff, Newcastle and Brighton at home we would be challenging for Europe ,small margins at the end of the day.

Edited by Ketteridge (16 Apr 2019 11.02am)

 


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View dg1937's Profile dg1937 Flag 16 Apr 19 11.50am Send a Private Message to dg1937 Add dg1937 as a friend

Originally posted by spartakev2


And yet we've got the 9th highest wage bill?

My feeling is that that's where the problem lies. We offered Benteke and Sakho (and Wilf) massive pay packets that we are struggling to afford Hence 9th highest wage bill compared to bottom half financial clout.

I do agree with a lot of what Ketteridge just said. Our squad has steadily got better and with better finishing we would be several places higher up the table. It is, as he says, 'small margins'.

 

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View spartakev2's Profile spartakev2 Flag Anerley 16 Apr 19 12.56pm Send a Private Message to spartakev2 Add spartakev2 as a friend

Originally posted by dg1937

My feeling is that that's where the problem lies. We offered Benteke and Sakho (and Wilf) massive pay packets that we are struggling to afford Hence 9th highest wage bill compared to bottom half financial clout.

I do agree with a lot of what Ketteridge just said. Our squad has steadily got better and with better finishing we would be several places higher up the table. It is, as he says, 'small margins'.

TBF you could say this about most teams.....

 

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View andy p's Profile andy p Flag Warrington cheshire 16 Apr 19 2.09pm Send a Private Message to andy p Add andy p as a friend

We have under performed,but not by a lot.I have us 8 or 9 points short of where we could,should be now

 


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View Vaibow's Profile Vaibow Flag vancouver/croydon 17 Apr 19 1.31am Send a Private Message to Vaibow Add Vaibow as a friend

Originally posted by CrazyBadger

Very good post, however, That bit in bold...
As has been stated on here, It is thought that RH has only 1 or 2 seasons left in him. Going by your logic, should he be the one to stop this Mix and Match culture?

What this has done, and we can include RH's purchases in that(Meyer, Kouyate, Guaita) is mean that we have a lot of players, which have come in on higher wages.

I fear that this window we are going to be clearing of the deadwood with no dramatic Spending, save for some urgent replacements should we sell any 1st teamers. RH will be here next season as a steadying influence, and to give us the best chance at survival. We will then look to reinvest in the squad - potentially with a new longer term manager.

i agree with you, thats why i feel 1 of 3 things will happen:
A, not spend in the summer, maybe sell one or two of dead wood and see out roy's contract treading water hoping for more of the same - complete overhaul next year.
B, Back Roy - fund it by the sale of an asset and give him a year extension to see him take us to mid table and not near the relegation scrap and in 2021 shake his hand and next project.
C, New manager this summer, get him to tread water for a year then invest - or sell an asset now and invest.

 


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