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pefwin Flag Where you have to have an English ... 24 Apr 19 2.31pm

Originally posted by Spiderman

Do you know this for a fact? Maybe she does have past history with an adverse immigration record, we may never know. The family will say one thing and the HO won't comment. Very sad set of circumstances all round

Or the ongoing Windrush saga.

 


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View 20 Spaces Isnt Enoug's Profile 20 Spaces Isnt Enoug Flag Bolton 24 Apr 19 3.03pm Send a Private Message to 20 Spaces Isnt Enoug Add 20 Spaces Isnt Enoug as a friend

All sorted ... if you look at Change.org.

24,000 signatures...Home Office reversed original

decision

 

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pefwin Flag Where you have to have an English ... 24 Apr 19 7.37pm

Originally posted by cp forever

Signed of course....what a disgrace, this government have a record of shame with regard to treatment of people from the Caribbean or with that heritage and here it is again with it's rigid hostility. How naive of some posters to still have faith in political actions of this Home Office they have a lot of lives they are responsible for ruining.

I was talking to Collis King a couple of days ago in Bridgetown, kicked out of the coutry having lived here for years and having an English wife.


Obvously someone in the Home Office can keep a cricketing grudge for decades.

 


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"When the going gets tough, the tough call for close air support."

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View Badger11's Profile Badger11 Flag Beckenham 25 Apr 19 7.56am Send a Private Message to Badger11 Add Badger11 as a friend

Originally posted by 20 Spaces Isnt Enoug

All sorted ... if you look at Change.org.

24,000 signatures...Home Office reversed original

decision

I am not saying the Grandma should not be allowed in.

My sympathy with the family however I do not understand why the Home Office has reversed it's decision?

What I mean is if you have a legitimate reason for not allowing someone into the country why should a petition change that?

I presume that the HO was well aware the reason for Grandma's visit and that the family have said they will financially support. With that knowledge they still refused her so why does signing a petition make them change the grounds for refusing her?

I want an immigration policy that is fair and logical it just seems to me that its more like a popularity contest the more noise you make the better your chance.
That is hardly fair then on people who don't catch the public eye.

I am glad for her sake she is coming but I do not get the thinking behind the original decision.

 


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View IMilburn's Profile IMilburn Flag Chiang Rai / Rayong 25 Apr 19 1.59pm Send a Private Message to IMilburn Add IMilburn as a friend

From my experiences of dealing with immigration issues relating to my wife (Thai national) and son (originally Thai, now dual Thai / UK national), the only consistencies evident within the Home Office immigration (and also passport) offices are inconsistency, arrogance, reluctance to follow both the relevant statutory law and their own published implementation guidelines, and a desire to make as much money as possible by forcing people to unnecessarily repeat visa applications. However fair and logical the immigration policy may be, the implementation of it is arguably unfair and certainly discretionary.
I could describe the experiences which support my conclusion but don’t have the necessary time or energy!

 

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View blackheatheagle's Profile blackheatheagle Flag Beckenham 25 Apr 19 2.18pm Send a Private Message to blackheatheagle Add blackheatheagle as a friend

Originally posted by Badger11

I am not saying the Grandma should not be allowed in.

My sympathy with the family however I do not understand why the Home Office has reversed it's decision?

What I mean is if you have a legitimate reason for not allowing someone into the country why should a petition change that?

I presume that the HO was well aware the reason for Grandma's visit and that the family have said they will financially support. With that knowledge they still refused her so why does signing a petition make them change the grounds for refusing her?

I want an immigration policy that is fair and logical it just seems to me that its more like a popularity contest the more noise you make the better your chance.
That is hardly fair then on people who don't catch the public eye.

I am glad for her sake she is coming but I do not get the thinking behind the original decision.

In fact this happens regularly. I have met a report (i don`t recall the figures) but there is an official route to appeal at court for visa decision and this can be overturn.

Reason why i checked this is because my sister`s visa was rejected Reason was because she didn`t provide necessary detail for financial status (she had but not complete) thus the officer thought her application is not genuine. She applied after with proper documentation and got the visa after.

Issue is that there are several grey areas which leaves the decision to caseworker and this can be disputed easily. Rules are not black and white.

For eg, last year we applied for indefinite leave to remain with our UK born baby. Lawyer told that he does not need passport and birth certificate would be enough. Caseworker told he can not grant ILR to him as he needs passport. In fact there is no such a rule and when we escalated, very senior caseworker suggested to him to grant ILR but he refused again. Because main rule is that final decision is up to caseworker (subject to court appeal) Weird thing is that he automatically become eligible for British Citizenship once we have ILR

In a nutshell, this is very grey area and subjective decision can happen due to approach of caseworker.


 

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View Badger11's Profile Badger11 Flag Beckenham 25 Apr 19 3.14pm Send a Private Message to Badger11 Add Badger11 as a friend

Originally posted by IMilburn

From my experiences of dealing with immigration issues relating to my wife (Thai national) and son (originally Thai, now dual Thai / UK national), the only consistencies evident within the Home Office immigration (and also passport) offices are inconsistency, arrogance, reluctance to follow both the relevant statutory law and their own published implementation guidelines, and a desire to make as much money as possible by forcing people to unnecessarily repeat visa applications. However fair and logical the immigration policy may be, the implementation of it is arguably unfair and certainly discretionary.
I could describe the experiences which support my conclusion but don’t have the necessary time or energy!

That is what I suspected. SNAFU all around.

 


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View Wisbech Eagle's Profile Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 25 Apr 19 9.46pm Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by IMilburn

From my experiences of dealing with immigration issues relating to my wife (Thai national) and son (originally Thai, now dual Thai / UK national), the only consistencies evident within the Home Office immigration (and also passport) offices are inconsistency, arrogance, reluctance to follow both the relevant statutory law and their own published implementation guidelines, and a desire to make as much money as possible by forcing people to unnecessarily repeat visa applications. However fair and logical the immigration policy may be, the implementation of it is arguably unfair and certainly discretionary.
I could describe the experiences which support my conclusion but don’t have the necessary time or energy!

I can confirm all of that. My wife was initially refused a visa on the quite ridiculous grounds that I didn't have the means to support her when all the evidence provided (and it's huge) plainly showed I met the requirements 4 times over. The refusal was made at the foreign Embassy level and I suspect they are encouraged to refuse as many as possible to meet targets. Only after an appeal, which cost a lot and 9 months delay, did a Judge overturn the refusal, awarding me the costs, which I am still waiting for. The costs involved in obtaining a family visa are enormous and have to be paid 3 times. On initial application, for "further leave to remain" after 30 months and then for "indefinite leave to remain" after 5 years. A great system to encourage new citizens!

 


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View IMilburn's Profile IMilburn Flag Chiang Rai / Rayong 26 Apr 19 10.04am Send a Private Message to IMilburn Add IMilburn as a friend

Yes Wisbech - my wife has just cleared the 'further leave to remain' hurdle.

I was able to adopt her son here in the UK, at which point he automatically became a British citizen so at least I no longer have to pay the outrageous visa costs for him. But getting him a UK passport even though he is a British citizen was somewhat challenging - I was advised at one point that the passport office knowledge of a particular aspect of Thai law was superior to a written statement on the subject formally provided by the Thai embassy!

 

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View HKOwen's Profile HKOwen Flag Hong Kong 27 Apr 19 12.13am Send a Private Message to HKOwen Add HKOwen as a friend

Much easier to arrive without documents and no English skills other than the word asylum.

The hoops and hurdles for legit overseas spouses for British nationals are absurd.

Obviously nothing to do with original post.

 


Responsibility Deficit Disorder is a medical condition. Symptoms include inability to be corrected when wrong, false sense of superiority, desire to share personal info no else cares about, general hubris. It's a medical issue rather than pure arrogance.

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