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View FairweatherEagle's Profile FairweatherEagle Flag London 17 Jun 19 11.30pm Send a Private Message to FairweatherEagle Add FairweatherEagle as a friend

I agree with the emerging consensus that

"we already have 2 billionaires on our board and they haven't done anything bad or good"

As such can we really say that taking over of the club American shareholding will result in a change in the day to day running of the club?

I doubt it, if Parish remains chairman. And is that really such a bad thing?

 

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View HKOwen's Profile HKOwen Flag Hong Kong 18 Jun 19 5.24am Send a Private Message to HKOwen Add HKOwen as a friend

The silliest thing in the article is " with a family member acting as translator "

These days large Chinese companies use something a bit more sophisticated than a family member in large transactions.

At least the article avoided the word " inscrutable "

Wolves have done very well under ownership of China's Fosun Group which is a huge diverse multinational

Edited by HKOwen (18 Jun 2019 5.26am)

 


Responsibility Deficit Disorder is a medical condition. Symptoms include inability to be corrected when wrong, false sense of superiority, desire to share personal info no else cares about, general hubris. It's a medical issue rather than pure arrogance.

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View dreamwaverider's Profile dreamwaverider Flag London 18 Jun 19 7.46am Send a Private Message to dreamwaverider Add dreamwaverider as a friend

When people or companies invest into a new entity, they have a detailed business plan and strategy. I can’t believe the yanks strategy was to flip CPFC.
What they are doing is not good and I hope the reason is unrelated to how the club is run. If they are a pair of wide boys just turning a profit then great to see them go. They clearly have shown little interest in what CPFC do. For whatever reason this is what they are doing.
Football, fuelled by high octane funding has seen a big change from where it came, as with so many things in the modern world. Most fans find it hard to grasp the corporate side of their beloved club and the high stakes being played by most premium clubs.
As fans we all have a passion for CPFC. Through a series of extraordinary circumstances Palace have been exposed more than most to the trials of the modern game that have very successfully taken us to the edges of the pinnacle of the sport. It is currently owned by some pretty hostile boardroom sharks out for their own gain. In some cases club owners buy in to raise their public profile on an ego trip. In our case it would appear we were bought by profiteering wide boys with not the slightest bit of interest in the fans.
All we can do is hope that whoever buys us genuinely wants to help us grow, a bit like the Leicester story.
Investors need to realise what they are buying and act responsibly to support protect and enhance the fans experience. If this is lost, the top end of the game will crumble. Fingers crossed our new owners fall in love with us. Luckily we have a chairman who is one of us. I just hope our next investors support him in taking us forwards. Without that link it could go anywhere.

 

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View Midlands Eagle's Profile Midlands Eagle Flag 18 Jun 19 8.12am Send a Private Message to Midlands Eagle Add Midlands Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by dreamwaverider

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It is currently owned by some pretty hostile boardroom sharks out for their own gain. In some cases club owners buy in to raise their public profile on an ego trip. In our case it would appear we were bought by profiteering wide boys with not the slightest bit of interest in the fans.

Whoa. You have absolutely no proof that the defamatory allegations that you have made have any basis in truth whatsoever.

There are many reasons why the Americans could want to sell up including a difficulty in working with Parish and in my mind that is far more likely as there is precedent for people leaving for that reason

 

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View ARGILE OLD GEEZER's Profile ARGILE OLD GEEZER Flag PORTIMAO 18 Jun 19 9.17am Send a Private Message to ARGILE OLD GEEZER Add ARGILE OLD GEEZER as a friend

Originally posted by Midlands Eagle

Whoa. You have absolutely no proof that the defamatory allegations that you have made have any basis in truth whatsoever.

There are many reasons why the Americans could want to sell up including a difficulty in working with Parish and in my mind that is far more likely as there is precedent for people leaving for that reason

Or,it could be that Parish couldn't work with them

 

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View bexleydave's Profile bexleydave Flag Barnehurst 18 Jun 19 9.30am Send a Private Message to bexleydave Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add bexleydave as a friend

Originally posted by Midlands Eagle

Whoa. You have absolutely no proof that the defamatory allegations that you have made have any basis in truth whatsoever.

There are many reasons why the Americans could want to sell up including a difficulty in working with Parish and in my mind that is far more likely as there is precedent for people leaving for that reason

Well there's that, plus they're investors and we're losing money, principally due to our percentage of income to wages. To be fair to the US owners, they will have had to fund their share of our loses. We seem to be in a Catch 22, where we can't increase other income sufficiently without infrastructure improvements, and they seem to have stalled for whatever reasons.

The alternative is that we significantly reduce our wage bill, but there's a risk in that of slipping out of the PL and, without the TV money, and with the significant drop in attendance that happens when we're not in the top division, we'd need a very generous benefactor indeed to make the long-needed improvements to both Selhurst Park and the training facilities.

One alternative may be to come up with less ambitious, stand-by-stand improvements, starting with the Main Stand, that increases the capacity/hospitality without building the currently proposed mega-structure, and that can be achieved in a shorter timescale.

 


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View Mapletree's Profile Mapletree Flag Croydon 18 Jun 19 10.06am Send a Private Message to Mapletree Add Mapletree as a friend

Originally posted by bexleydave

Well there's that, plus they're investors and we're losing money, principally due to our percentage of income to wages. To be fair to the US owners, they will have had to fund their share of our loses


How so Dave? They are shareholders. The Palace have not gone bust

They will be selling to realise a quick buck, as usual. Harris thinks in relatively short terms.

Edited by bexleydave (18 Jun 2019 10.14am)

 

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View bexleydave's Profile bexleydave Flag Barnehurst 18 Jun 19 10.18am Send a Private Message to bexleydave Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add bexleydave as a friend

Originally posted by Mapletree

How so Dave? They are shareholders. The Palace have not gone bust

They will be selling to realise a quick buck, as usual. Harris thinks in relatively short terms.


Director loans are mentioned in the last set of accounts, but as ME has posted, it's difficult to know exactly what's going on between the three main companies that own the club. It's quite possible that any loans have been/will be converted to shares.

 


Bexley Dave

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Originally posted by Midlands Eagle

Whoa. You have absolutely no proof that the defamatory allegations that you have made have any basis in truth whatsoever.

There are many reasons why the Americans could want to sell up including a difficulty in working with Parish and in my mind that is far more likely as there is precedent for people leaving for that reason

It was purely an investment, a high risk one too when you consider the potential for relegation and all that brings, they aren't fans. If they can turn a good profit now of course they would consider cashing in. Doesn't necessarily make them wide boys or point to a falling out with Parish.

 

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View dreamwaverider's Profile dreamwaverider Flag London 18 Jun 19 2.41pm Send a Private Message to dreamwaverider Add dreamwaverider as a friend

Originally posted by Midlands Eagle

Whoa. You have absolutely no proof that the defamatory allegations that you have made have any basis in truth whatsoever.

There are many reasons why the Americans could want to sell up including a difficulty in working with Parish and in my mind that is far more likely as there is precedent for people leaving for that reason

I suppose I have fallen into the trap of being a rose tinted spectacle fan whose deluded belief was that the Americans had invested at Selhurst with a view to spending huge sums to turn us into a much bigger club. As you rightly say I have no proof of my comments ( indeed fans are kept in the dark on most issues). I suppose I am just disappointed that they have given us very little in line with my delusions and yet will probably go away with a great return. I should not hold that against them and from a business perspective they will probably clean up and I suppose good luck to them if that happens. However,if that is the case, then as a fan I struggle to support their plan of action and outcome.
Therein lies my dilemma and one of the many huge imbalances that are ingrained in football betwixt being a love and a passion and the dreams that go with that against the hard realities that another part of what the fans follow is actually a hard nosed high finance business that takes no prisoners.
Maybe that mix is what makes modern day football so intriguing.

 

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View Painter's Profile Painter Flag Croydon 18 Jun 19 3.15pm Send a Private Message to Painter Add Painter as a friend

Originally posted by dreamwaverider

I suppose I have fallen into the trap of being a rose tinted spectacle fan whose deluded belief was that the Americans had invested at Selhurst with a view to spending huge sums to turn us into a much bigger club. As you rightly say I have no proof of my comments ( indeed fans are kept in the dark on most issues). I suppose I am just disappointed that they have given us very little in line with my delusions and yet will probably go away with a great return. I should not hold that against them and from a business perspective they will probably clean up and I suppose good luck to them if that happens. However,if that is the case, then as a fan I struggle to support their plan of action and outcome.
Therein lies my dilemma and one of the many huge imbalances that are ingrained in football betwixt being a love and a passion and the dreams that go with that against the hard realities that another part of what the fans follow is actually a hard nosed high finance business that takes no prisoners.
Maybe that mix is what makes modern day football so intriguing.

You were a bit naive to think the Americans were investing for anything else than to make money. They have no emotional attachment to the club at all, it’s the same to them as buying a block of flats. That is why we are lucky to have someone like Parish at the helm, who is a fan.
A number of clubs have been purchased by foreigners for various reasons, dodgy money, tax evasion, raise their profile, advertising their brands etc, none have for the fans, only by how much they can exploit them.
Why would a foreign investor plough their money into Palace, we are operating at a loss and the TV money is going to be reduced soon.

 

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Originally posted by Painter

You were a bit naive to think the Americans were investing for anything else than to make money. They have no emotional attachment to the club at all, it’s the same to them as buying a block of flats. That is why we are lucky to have someone like Parish at the helm, who is a fan.
A number of clubs have been purchased by foreigners for various reasons, dodgy money, tax evasion, raise their profile, advertising their brands etc, none have for the fans, only by how much they can exploit them.
Why would a foreign investor plough their money into Palace, we are operating at a loss and the TV money is going to be reduced soon.

Wrong on both counts. We made a loss this last published accounts. We have made a modest profit the previous two before that. If as expected AWB completes a move to Man U the next set of accounts are likely to show us in the black again.
As for the TV money being reduced? Rubbish. The cleverest thing that Scudamore did when negotiating TV deals with Sky and BT was to accept a slightly lower offer with a concrete agreement that ALL future negotiations once the existing contract runs down have to be upwards only negotiations. They might not rise as sharply as they've done in the past but they will never get smaller. Ever. Not unless the TV companies go bust and theres no one left to pay the Premiership. Bit unlikely though.

 

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