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deleted user Flag 24 Jun 19 3.27pm

Originally posted by Badger11

It's not relevant as the police said there was nothing to report and I would say the same thing if Corbyn had a domestic with his wife. I am more concerned about Johnson keeping his word on leaving in October and that is what I will hold him or Hunt to account for.

Kennedy was a womaniser so was Disraeli history doesn't judge them on their personal morals.

Show me a man who hasn't had a row with his other half and I'll show you a liar.

Edited by Badger11 (23 Jun 2019 9.52am)

I agree with all of this. Granted there is a basic and rightfully expected decency in being faithful to the mother of your children, but for some, personal indulgence and self gratification are more important than a bond of trust to their partner and by consequence their children. Low loyalty.

Boris' tumultuous personal life and scattered children are certainly well documented.... but the bloke is running to be Prime Minister, not Father or Husband of the Year.

Drawing an assessment of what is good for the country doesn't require a picture perfect home life, and the bar we set for politicians and the scrutiny they're under isn't fair in that regard. Motivations behind imperfections in one area of life, in certain roles may well even act as a positive. Trump has quite an extreme personality for instance, and I wouldn't be a fan of that in day to day life, but an upside of it in his role is that he doesn't think twice about being pushy on trade for example. Before him that type of approach was seen as strictly out of bounds.

I would rather Bojo or Hunt win on the strength of the arguments they put forward to tory members. Then we'll likely see more of a message for the country rather than the membership and see where it goes from there. What I don't want to see is a strategic release of a barney with the missus days prior to the vote in an attempt to throw the whole thing into disarray. US style politics coming to the UK. No thanks.

 

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deleted user Flag 24 Jun 19 3.30pm

Originally posted by Badger11

Yes that's called Parliamentary democracy. The reality is that pretty much none of us have ever voted for a PM you have to live in their constituency to that.

I actually agree with you I would prefer a system where we could elect our leader nationally because since Thatcher the role of PM has become presidential whereas before that it was collegiate, "First amongst equals".

Until then we have to put up with the current process Callaghan and Brown were never voted into office. It would be nice if the new PM called an election within 6 months, we shall see.

It's a tough one. On one hand it does seem silly for say 100,000 people to be choosing the leadership of the party and hence the country. On the other though, for better or worse it does ensure that the leader of a party is more likely to echo the political hue of the party and voters of it that he represents.

 

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View Midlands Eagle's Profile Midlands Eagle Flag 24 Jun 19 3.34pm Send a Private Message to Midlands Eagle Add Midlands Eagle as a friend

I'm beginning to have second thoughts about Boris as our supremo due to his refusal to face the media and tell us exactly what he intends to try and do.

Whilst it's no concern of ours what he gets up to behind closed doors all he had to do was to admit that he and his girl friend have the occasional argument and this one was of no consequence and everyone would have moved on.

He needs a TV debate with Jeremy Hunt where they both answer relevant questions in some detail after all if we have a General Election soon he is going to have to face the cameras against Jeremy Corbyn if he has any hopes of the Conservatives winning

 

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jeeagles Flag 24 Jun 19 3.41pm

Originally posted by dollardays

It's a tough one. On one hand it does seem silly for say 100,000 people to be choosing the leadership of the party and hence the country. On the other though, for better or worse it does ensure that the leader of a party is more likely to echo the political hue of the party and voters of it that he represents.

The number of people that select our MP's is tiny. There's a yes minister episode where a good lady comes up with a system for each street/neighborhood/town to elect a Representative and that would be the way to elect MP's. It's an excellent system if it wasn't incredibly time consuming.

Would agree that key roles in the government should be selected via a national vote and they shouldn't have a constituency. They can't do much good for their constituency whilst being PM.

Wouldn't like proportional representation as their would be no accountability of which people are made MP's.

 

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deleted user Flag 24 Jun 19 3.47pm

Originally posted by Midlands Eagle

I'm beginning to have second thoughts about Boris as our supremo due to his refusal to face the media and tell us exactly what he intends to try and do.

Whilst it's no concern of ours what he gets up to behind closed doors all he had to do was to admit that he and his girl friend have the occasional argument and this one was of no consequence and everyone would have moved on.

He needs a TV debate with Jeremy Hunt where they both answer relevant questions in some detail after all if we have a General Election soon he is going to have to face the cameras against Jeremy Corbyn if he has any hopes of the Conservatives winning

If it rumbles on too long he might be forced to address it. He'd have been better off saying "We had an argument like any other couple could, it's a private matter and I am entitled to a private life." rather than "nobody wants to hear about that"..

From the sound of it, it was more his other half kicking off anyway

"It was really loud, loud enough to make me turn down the TV and see what was going on. I could hear shouting and screaming from a lady, she sounded really angry. There was a man’s voice too, but he was much calmer and he was telling her to calm down but she was still chucking things about,” she said. “It went on for about 10 minutes. I’ve never heard anything like it. I was considering calling the police but then a [police] van and car came.”


I can see why he's keeping a low profile, and not wanting any head to heads with Hunt, on account that he's clear favourite for leader. I expect he's come to a conclusion that there's more of a down than up side to TV time, head to heads and so on. If the internal poling changes before the vote though, we can expect him to be all for it. Politicians politicking.

 

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View Maine Eagle's Profile Maine Eagle Flag USA 24 Jun 19 4.16pm Send a Private Message to Maine Eagle Add Maine Eagle as a friend

What a f*cking coward.

Acting like a little girl.

Cannot handle tough questions and awkward situations, yes wants to be prime minister. f*cking joke.

 


Trump lost. Badly. Hahahahahahaha.

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View Stirlingsays's Profile Stirlingsays Flag 24 Jun 19 4.22pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by Maine Eagle

What a f*cking coward.

Acting like a little girl.

Cannot handle tough questions and awkward situations, yes wants to be prime minister. f*cking joke.

I thought that 'acting like a little girl' was all the rage for males on the left?

Surely you should be praising him Mainey?

Edited by Stirlingsays (24 Jun 2019 4.22pm)

 


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Originally posted by Stirlingsays

I thought that 'acting like a little girl' was all the rage for males on the left?

Surely you should be praising him Mainey?

Edited by Stirlingsays (24 Jun 2019 4.22pm)

Not really, Stirlingsays.

There are weasels and cowards on both left and right - you are smart enough to understand that I think.

For a wannabe prime minister of this country to duck and chicken out from debates/questions/public speaking is scandalous for UK politics.

This is not a good sign in a leader, running and hiding instead of facing the tough issues head on like a man.

Gove addressed his coke use, and while I am no fan of his, he dealt with it like a grown up and moved on.

Johnson also happens to be full of s*** on GATT 24, implementation phases under no deal (there isnt one) and a whole host of things which should have tory wasps worried. The withdrawal agreement will not be reopened (particularly for someone with an utterly toxic relationship with the EU) and he has no viable solution for the Irish border.

GATT 24 lies:

[Link]

He is absolutely full of s***, has a history of lying and cheating, and is a piss poor leader to boot.

Boris Johnson will bring Corbyn into power before Christmas.

 


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Originally posted by Maine Eagle

What a f*cking coward.

Acting like a little girl.

Cannot handle tough questions and awkward situations, yes wants to be prime minister. f*cking joke.

Is having “a pair” a distinct advantage for a politician? Bet Jess Phillips has a view.

 

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Originally posted by Maine Eagle

Not really, Stirlingsays.

There are weasels and cowards on both left and right - you are smart enough to understand that I think.

For a wannabe prime minister of this country to duck and chicken out from debates/questions/public speaking is scandalous for UK politics.

This is not a good sign in a leader, running and hiding instead of facing the tough issues head on like a man.

Gove addressed his coke use, and while I am no fan of his, he dealt with it like a grown up and moved on.

Johnson also happens to be full of s*** on GATT 24, implementation phases under no deal (there isnt one) and a whole host of things which should have tory wasps worried. The withdrawal agreement will not be reopened (particularly for someone with an utterly toxic relationship with the EU) and he has no viable solution for the Irish border.

GATT 24 lies:

[Link]

He is absolutely full of s***, has a history of lying and cheating, and is a piss poor leader to boot.

Boris Johnson will bring Corbyn into power before Christmas.

I smell fear.

Corbyn is toast.

Bring on that election.

 


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Originally posted by dollardays

If it rumbles on too long he might be forced to address it. He'd have been better off saying "We had an argument like any other couple could, it's a private matter and I am entitled to a private life." rather than "nobody wants to hear about that"..

From the sound of it, it was more his other half kicking off anyway

"It was really loud, loud enough to make me turn down the TV and see what was going on. I could hear shouting and screaming from a lady, she sounded really angry. There was a man’s voice too, but he was much calmer and he was telling her to calm down but she was still chucking things about,” she said. “It went on for about 10 minutes. I’ve never heard anything like it. I was considering calling the police but then a [police] van and car came.”


I can see why he's keeping a low profile, and not wanting any head to heads with Hunt, on account that he's clear favourite for leader. I expect he's come to a conclusion that there's more of a down than up side to TV time, head to heads and so on. If the internal poling changes before the vote though, we can expect him to be all for it. Politicians politicking.

I can understand why he doesn't want to address this. Firstly it their private business but secondly if he does discuss it and admits his girlfriend had a meltdown there goes the female vote. It's a no win for him so best to keep quiet.

Update
I should add that his girlfriend was one of John Worboy's youngest victims (this is public knowledge) so maybe she is entitled to be a little upset, she certainly will have the sympathy vote from women. The press know all about this so they will have to tread very carefully here.

Edited by Badger11 (24 Jun 2019 5.37pm)

 


One more point

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View Teddy Eagle's Profile Teddy Eagle Flag 24 Jun 19 5.35pm Send a Private Message to Teddy Eagle Add Teddy Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

I smell fear.

Corbyn is toast.

Bring on that election.

But it’s whole grain artisanal toast with organic coconut butter and Manitoba Havest hemp seeds. All the rage among his Islington neighbours.

 

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