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View Midlands Eagle's Profile Midlands Eagle Flag 16 Jun 19 8.01am Send a Private Message to Midlands Eagle Add Midlands Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Badger11

I think it's time to bring in a rule to force a by election within 6 months if an MP leaves a party.

Agreed

 

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Originally posted by Jimenez

Nope he's a conniving scheming scumbag. He's jumped ship three times in less than six months.
What happens If he doesn't agree with some Lib Dem policies? Jump ship again.
It is despicable c***s like him that make me weep & you have the brass testicles to say that he's acted 'Impecably' Winners never quit & quitters never win & that guy is a quitter

Fortunately for him those who will decide that are those who live and vote in the Streatham constituency. If he is doing what he believes to be right then he is doing his job, despite what you, I, or anyone else thinks.

 


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Originally posted by Badger11

I think it's time to bring in a rule to force a by election within 6 months if an MP leaves a party.

Won't ever happen. MP's are not delegates of a party. They are the representatives of ALL of their constituents.

If they find they can no longer support any particular party then they are still the same person chosen by the people. It's the person and not the party which is important. We don't want a bunch of sheep being driven by the whips into the voting lobbies. We want thinkers prepared to speak truth to power.

It's for that reason that I object to any party affiliation being put on the voting slips.

 


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ChrisGC Flag Wantage 16 Jun 19 2.00pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Won't ever happen. MP's are not delegates of a party. They are the representatives of ALL of their constituents.

If they find they can no longer support any particular party then they are still the same person chosen by the people. It's the person and not the party which is important. We don't want a bunch of sheep being driven by the whips into the voting lobbies. We want thinkers prepared to speak truth to power.

It's for that reason that I object to any party affiliation being put on the voting slips.

For all that, the two go hand in hand. The candidate must broadly represent and endorse party manifestos by definition so it necessarily follows that although you might not like a candidate, you'd vote for them based on party policy.

Once the party policy has been removed by their resignation, the entire dynamic of their election is altered. The only fair means to establish whether the constituents still feel the candidate is their best representative and that they support their decisions is to call a by election.

The fact that Chuka is going through political affiliations quicker than I go through yellow cards reflects the absolute need now to call a by elections. It's a matter of public safeguarding as far as I'm concerned.

 

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View Jimenez's Profile Jimenez Flag SELHURSTPARKCHESTER,DA BRONX 16 Jun 19 4.34pm Send a Private Message to Jimenez Add Jimenez as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Fortunately for him those who will decide that are those who live and vote in the Streatham constituency. If he is doing what he believes to be right then he is doing his job, despite what you, I, or anyone else thinks.

Well he won't/wouldn't get my vote & for the record I am registered to vote in Streatham & what's all this despite what you or I think bollocks.

 


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View YT's Profile YT Flag Oxford 16 Jun 19 5.28pm Send a Private Message to YT Add YT as a friend

Originally posted by ChrisGC

For all that, the two go hand in hand. The candidate must broadly represent and endorse party manifestos by definition so it necessarily follows that although you might not like a candidate, you'd vote for them based on party policy.

Once the party policy has been removed by their resignation, the entire dynamic of their election is altered. The only fair means to establish whether the constituents still feel the candidate is their best representative and that they support their decisions is to call a by election.

The fact that Chuka is going through political affiliations quicker than I go through yellow cards reflects the absolute need now to call a by elections. It's a matter of public safeguarding as far as I'm concerned.

Made me chuckle, did that.

 


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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Won't ever happen. MP's are not delegates of a party. They are the representatives of ALL of their constituents.

If they find they can no longer support any particular party then they are still the same person chosen by the people. It's the person and not the party which is important. We don't want a bunch of sheep being driven by the whips into the voting lobbies. We want thinkers prepared to speak truth to power.

It's for that reason that I object to any party affiliation being put on the voting slips.

I believe you are referring to an independent candidate in which case I agree.

Candidates who align themselves to the party machine and take the party electoral support make that quite clear to the voters e.g. candidates says "I am supporting Jeremy Corbyn he is the leader we need" or "this country needs a Corbyn led government".

Under these circumstances voters are led to believe that not only are they voting for the candidate but the party he supports. He is entitled to change his mind but I think so are the electorate.

 


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View ASCPFC's Profile ASCPFC Online Flag Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 16 Jun 19 8.20pm Send a Private Message to ASCPFC Add ASCPFC as a friend

Johnson did well in the debate.

 


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deleted user Flag 16 Jun 19 8.36pm

Originally posted by ASCPFC

Johnson did well in the debate.

Less is more

 

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Originally posted by ChrisGC

For all that, the two go hand in hand. The candidate must broadly represent and endorse party manifestos by definition so it necessarily follows that although you might not like a candidate, you'd vote for them based on party policy.

Once the party policy has been removed by their resignation, the entire dynamic of their election is altered. The only fair means to establish whether the constituents still feel the candidate is their best representative and that they support their decisions is to call a by election.

The fact that Chuka is going through political affiliations quicker than I go through yellow cards reflects the absolute need now to call a by elections. It's a matter of public safeguarding as far as I'm concerned.

The two don't "go hand in hand"! What you describe might be the convention but it isn't the law. We elect individuals and not parties. The time to express a view is at a GE and only at a GE. An individual might decide to seek a fresh mandate and resign but that is their decision alone.

 


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Originally posted by Jimenez

Well he won't/wouldn't get my vote & for the record I am registered to vote in Streatham & what's all this despite what you or I think bollocks.

I don't think anyone will be too surprised to know that especially as I very much doubt he would have got your vote if he had stayed a Labour member.

 


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Originally posted by Badger11

I believe you are referring to an independent candidate in which case I agree.

Candidates who align themselves to the party machine and take the party electoral support make that quite clear to the voters e.g. candidates says "I am supporting Jeremy Corbyn he is the leader we need" or "this country needs a Corbyn led government".

Under these circumstances voters are led to believe that not only are they voting for the candidate but the party he supports. He is entitled to change his mind but I think so are the electorate.

No, I am referring to all members. If anyone decides that the party has moved so far from the principles that they hold themselves that they can no longer remain a member, or that circumstances have changed so much since the last GE that a fresh approach is demanded then that's their decision alone. An MP's job is always to do what they believe is in our best interests.

Some may decide to stay and fight inside their party. Some may decide that's hopeless and leave. Some may decide to seek a fresh mandate and force a by election. All are valid decisions but they are not for us to make, they are for the member alone. Our opinion on that decision comes at the next GE, if they stand again in that constituency. That's when voters can change their minds.

I like MPs who stand up for their principles and aren't just party fodder. I want our MP's in control of Parliament and not the Party machines and activist membership. Which is why I find the current Tory leader election so distasteful.

 


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