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aashman12 11 Jul 19 7.58am
Originally posted by Canterbury Palace Our player recruitment is piss poor and generally has been for years. I'd still argue we haven't brought in a really decent striker since we won promotion. Every year it's the same story, I have a heart full of hope when the the transfer window creaks open and then find myself desperately praying for a miracle in the final week of the window. I never learn, it's like constantly going back to an ex who always cheats on you. Leaving it until the last minute never helps us. Max Meyer's interview today specifically mentions how he struggled after failing to have a pre-season with us, we're forcing our signings to play catch up. It's reflected in our results as well as we're usually in the bottom 3 after 8 games until they learn how to play together. We seem to leave it until the last minute to try and get a couple of million discount on players, yet how much have we lost in prize money due to this approach? After a very modest season in terms of signings, we actually desperately need a good window this time. A right back, centre back, winger and striker are all imperatives. Yet what is the betting we leave most of it until the end again, if we do it at all? Happy to be quoted and ritually abused if we do pull our fingers out, will be worth it. Edited by Canterbury Palace (10 Jul 2019 5.11pm) Really piss poor recruitment, list our best xi subs and see how poor that recruitment is, we're 2-3 players away from a very good prem team that we know can go toe to toe with anyone in the league.
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aashman12

11 Jul 19 7.58am

Originally posted by Canterbury Palace

Our player recruitment is piss poor and generally has been for years. I'd still argue we haven't brought in a really decent striker since we won promotion.

Every year it's the same story, I have a heart full of hope when the the transfer window creaks open and then find myself desperately praying for a miracle in the final week of the window. I never learn, it's like constantly going back to an ex who always cheats on you.

Leaving it until the last minute never helps us. Max Meyer's interview today specifically mentions how he struggled after failing to have a pre-season with us, we're forcing our signings to play catch up. It's reflected in our results as well as we're usually in the bottom 3 after 8 games until they learn how to play together.

We seem to leave it until the last minute to try and get a couple of million discount on players, yet how much have we lost in prize money due to this approach?

After a very modest season in terms of signings, we actually desperately need a good window this time. A right back, centre back, winger and striker are all imperatives. Yet what is the betting we leave most of it until the end again, if we do it at all? Happy to be quoted and ritually abused if we do pull our fingers out, will be worth it.

Edited by Canterbury Palace (10 Jul 2019 5.11pm)

Really piss poor recruitment, list our best xi subs and see how poor that recruitment is, we're 2-3 players away from a very good prem team that we know can go toe to toe with anyone in the league.

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Tom-the-eagle Croydon 11 Jul 19 8.02am
Originally posted by braunstoneagle it really makes me laugh how morons with f*** all understand of what it takes to do deals/run things behind the scenes in a football club take to the internet to slag people off. no wonder people call us stripey nigels! Anyone would think this was football forum the way they all go on. All I can say is thank goodness you�re here. "It feels much better than it ever did, much more sensitive." John Wayne Bobbit
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Tom-the-eagle

Croydon 11 Jul 19 8.02am

Originally posted by braunstoneagle

it really makes me laugh how morons with f*** all understand of what it takes to do deals/run things behind the scenes in a football club take to the internet to slag people off.

no wonder people call us stripey nigels!

Anyone would think this was football forum the way they all go on.

All I can say is thank goodness you�re here.

"It feels much better than it ever did, much more sensitive." John Wayne Bobbit

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Rudi Hedman Caterham 11 Jul 19 8.33am
Originally posted by braunstoneagle it really makes me laugh how morons with f* all understand of what it takes to do deals/run things behind the scenes in a football club take to the internet to slag people off. no wonder people call us stripey nigels! Are we the only club fans to do this? In another thread I thought people were saying Arsenal do it to a ridiculous level. COYP**
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Rudi Hedman

Caterham 11 Jul 19 8.33am

Originally posted by braunstoneagle

it really makes me laugh how morons with f*** all understand of what it takes to do deals/run things behind the scenes in a football club take to the internet to slag people off.

no wonder people call us stripey nigels!

Are we the only club fans to do this? In another thread I thought people were saying Arsenal do it to a ridiculous level.

COYP

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Lanzo-Ad Lanzarote 11 Jul 19 9.03am
Bournemouth are the role model for recruitment, Wilson, King, Fraser, Brooks quality, all bought cheap with sell on values and two players highlighted and brought in already, while we constantly drag out backside. �That�s a joke son, I say, that�s a joke.� �Nice boy, but he�s sharp as a throw pillow.� �He�s so dumb he thinks a Mexican border pays rent� � �Son� I say, son, some people are so narrow minded they can look through a keyhole with both eyes.�__ Forhorn Leghorn
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Lanzo-Ad

Lanzarote 11 Jul 19 9.03am

Bournemouth are the role model for recruitment, Wilson, King, Fraser, Brooks quality, all bought cheap with sell on values and two players highlighted and brought in already, while we constantly drag out backside.

�That�s a joke son, I say, that�s a joke.� �Nice boy, but he�s sharp as a throw pillow.� �He�s so dumb he thinks a Mexican border pays rent� � �Son� I say, son, some people are so narrow minded they can look through a keyhole with both eyes.�__ Forhorn Leghorn

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PatrickA London 11 Jul 19 9.18am
I have always questioned Freedman�s appointment as DOF. This is not because of a dislike of him but because he had no experience of the role and there was nothing to suggest he was qualified to fulfil the role. When asked about the appointment Parish said it was because he felt he could trust Freedman and that he believed Freedman would always act in Palace�s interests as opposed to other candidates who may push their own agenda. Fair enough to a degree, but still doesn�t deal with lack of experience and qualifications. My view is that Freedman has managed to get a lot of players off the books so has been reasonably successful at wage reduction. However, there is nothing to suggest an improvement in scouting or the establishment of a proper network to enable us to exploit the transfer market in the way for example Bournemouth, Watford, Southampton and even Brentford do. The windows since Freedman�s appointment have been at best below average and there is nothing to suggest that this likely to change.
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PatrickA

London 11 Jul 19 9.18am

I have always questioned Freedman�s appointment as DOF.
This is not because of a dislike of him but because he had no experience of the role and there was nothing to suggest he was qualified to fulfil the role.
When asked about the appointment Parish said it was because he felt he could trust Freedman and that he believed Freedman would always act in Palace�s interests as opposed to other candidates who may push their own agenda.
Fair enough to a degree, but still doesn�t deal with lack of experience and qualifications.
My view is that Freedman has managed to get a lot of players off the books so has been reasonably successful at wage reduction.
However, there is nothing to suggest an improvement in scouting or the establishment of a proper network to enable us to exploit the transfer market in the way for example Bournemouth, Watford, Southampton and even Brentford do.
The windows since Freedman�s appointment have been at best below average and there is nothing to suggest that this likely to change.

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Fatherken 11 Jul 19 9.32am
apart from Croydon 23rd do we have any scouts at Selhurst Park ?
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Fatherken

11 Jul 19 9.32am

apart from Croydon 23rd do we have any scouts at Selhurst Park ?

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CrazyBadger Ware 11 Jul 19 9.37am
Originally posted by braunstoneagle it really makes me laugh how morons with f*** all understand of what it takes to do deals/run things behind the scenes in a football club take to the internet to slag people off. no wonder people call us stripey nigels! I don't doubt that doing the actual deal, and getting people to sign is proper difficult. My issue with the scouting network, is that we dont find players who we want to deal with in the first place. We only ever seem to be going for already-known players, old ones or cast offs - or piggy-backing off the back of another clubs interest. When So'ton bought Mane, VVD etc, how many other clubs were looking at them? They went out and found the hidden gems. "It was a Team effort, I guess it took all players working together to lose this one"
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CrazyBadger

Ware 11 Jul 19 9.37am

Originally posted by braunstoneagle

it really makes me laugh how morons with f*** all understand of what it takes to do deals/run things behind the scenes in a football club take to the internet to slag people off.

no wonder people call us stripey nigels!

I don't doubt that doing the actual deal, and getting people to sign is proper difficult.
My issue with the scouting network, is that we dont find players who we want to deal with in the first place. We only ever seem to be going for already-known players, old ones or cast offs - or piggy-backing off the back of another clubs interest.

When So'ton bought Mane, VVD etc, how many other clubs were looking at them? They went out and found the hidden gems.

"It was a Team effort, I guess it took all players working together to lose this one"

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Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 11 Jul 19 9.41am
Originally posted by CrazyBadger I don't doubt that doing the actual deal, and getting people to sign is proper difficult. My issue with the scouting network, is that we dont find players who we want to deal with in the first place. We only ever seem to be going for already-known players, old ones or cast offs - or piggy-backing off the back of another clubs interest. When So'ton bought Mane, VVD etc, how many other clubs were looking at them? They went out and found the hidden gems. They cost Southampton a total of some �23 Mill.Southampton got around �110 Mill when they were sold. At Southampton the Director of Football Operations, Ross Wilson, overseas around 50 scouts.He chairs a 5 person recruitment committee which includes the heads of analysis and youth recruitment, and which meets regularly. His team profile prospective signings on technical and psychological levels and at any one time could have 20 players for each position which they whittle down to 3 or 4. Edited by Willo (11 Jul 2019 9.47am)
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Willo

South coast - west of Brighton. 11 Jul 19 9.41am

Originally posted by CrazyBadger

When So'ton bought Mane, VVD etc, how many other clubs were looking at them? They went out and found the hidden gems.

They cost Southampton a total of some �23 Mill.Southampton got around �110 Mill when they were sold.

At Southampton the Director of Football Operations, Ross Wilson, overseas around 50 scouts.He chairs a 5 person recruitment committee which includes the heads of analysis and youth recruitment, and which meets regularly.
His team profile prospective signings on technical and psychological levels and at any one time could have 20 players for each position which they whittle down to 3 or 4.

Edited by Willo (11 Jul 2019 9.47am)

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steeleye20 Croydon 11 Jul 19 9.59am
Originally posted by Willo They cost Southampton a total of some �23 Mill.Southampton got around �110 Mill when they were sold. At Southampton the Director of Football Operations, Ross Wilson, overseas around 50 scouts.He chairs a 5 person recruitment committee which includes the heads of analysis and youth recruitment, and which meets regularly. His team profile prospective signings on technical and psychological levels and at any one time could have 20 players for each position which they whittle down to 3 or 4. Edited by Willo (11 Jul 2019 9.47am) Saints are serial regulation battlers though, doesn't seem to do them much good !
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steeleye20

Croydon 11 Jul 19 9.59am

Originally posted by Willo

They cost Southampton a total of some �23 Mill.Southampton got around �110 Mill when they were sold.

Edited by Willo (11 Jul 2019 9.47am)

Saints are serial regulation battlers though, doesn't seem to do them much good !

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Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 11 Jul 19 10.08am
Originally posted by steeleye20 Saints are serial regulation battlers though, doesn't seem to do them much good ! There has been a plethora of opinion which states that if one keeps selling one's best players it can have an adverse affect. Southampton have sold Van Dijk, Mane,Walcott,Oxlade-Chamberlain,Lallana,Tadic,Wanyama,Clyne,Shaw,Lovren etc etc. Edited by Willo (11 Jul 2019 10.12am)
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Willo

South coast - west of Brighton. 11 Jul 19 10.08am

Originally posted by steeleye20

Saints are serial regulation battlers though, doesn't seem to do them much good !

There has been a plethora of opinion which states that if one keeps selling one's best players it can have an adverse affect.
Southampton have sold Van Dijk, Mane,Walcott,Oxlade-Chamberlain,Lallana,Tadic,Wanyama,Clyne,Shaw,Lovren etc etc.

Edited by Willo (11 Jul 2019 10.12am)

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Tyrelli London 11 Jul 19 11.23am
Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow Agreed - nothing wrong with players with elite-level potential seeing us as a good stepping stone... if it means we get 2-3 years out of them before they move on, it�s worthwhile. I have similar doubts about �forcing� Zaha to honour his contract if he really wants to go - what message does than send to any young player we are trying to recruit who has ambitions to play in the champions league? The Zaha situation is simply down to money, he has a long contract, Arsenal are not matching our valuation (to the point of a incredibly meagre offer, designed only to unsettle the player) if they matched our valuation then I�m sure no one would stand in Zaha way and let him leave.
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Tyrelli

London 11 Jul 19 11.23am

Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow

Agreed - nothing wrong with players with elite-level potential seeing us as a good stepping stone... if it means we get 2-3 years out of them before they move on, it�s worthwhile.

I have similar doubts about �forcing� Zaha to honour his contract if he really wants to go - what message does than send to any young player we are trying to recruit who has ambitions to play in the champions league?

The Zaha situation is simply down to money, he has a long contract, Arsenal are not matching our valuation (to the point of a incredibly meagre offer, designed only to unsettle the player) if they matched our valuation then I�m sure no one would stand in Zaha way and let him leave.

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bexleydave Barnehurst 11 Jul 19 11.31am
Originally posted by Willo They cost Southampton a total of some �23 Mill.Southampton got around �110 Mill when they were sold. At Southampton the Director of Football Operations, Ross Wilson, overseas around 50 scouts.He chairs a 5 person recruitment committee which includes the heads of analysis and youth recruitment, and which meets regularly. His team profile prospective signings on technical and psychological levels and at any one time could have 20 players for each position which they whittle down to 3 or 4. "Wilson oversees 20 full-time members of staff at Southampton�s Staplewood Campus, plus a further 30 scouts, including Bill Green, the influential international scout. Wilson chairs a five-strong recruitment committee which includes the heads of analysis and youth recruitment, and which meets regularly. He has talked of how his team profile prospective signings on technical and psychological levels. �At any one time we might have 20 in the mix for one position,� Wilson says. �Then we narrow it down to three or four.� [Link] Willo, if you're going to plagiarise the work of others (without giving them credit), in this case the Guardian's David Hytner, at least make the effort to get the spelling correct; it's "oversees" not "overseas". Bexley Dave Can you hear the Brighton sing? I can't hear a ******* thing! "The most arrogant, obnoxious bunch of deluded little sun tanned, loafer wearing mummy's boys I've ever had the misfortune of having to listen to" (Burnley forum)
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bexleydave

Barnehurst 11 Jul 19 11.31am

Originally posted by Willo

They cost Southampton a total of some �23 Mill.Southampton got around �110 Mill when they were sold.

"Wilson oversees 20 full-time members of staff at Southampton�s Staplewood Campus, plus a further 30 scouts, including Bill Green, the influential international scout. Wilson chairs a five-strong recruitment committee which includes the heads of analysis and youth recruitment, and which meets regularly. He has talked of how his team profile prospective signings on technical and psychological levels. �At any one time we might have 20 in the mix for one position,� Wilson says. �Then we narrow it down to three or four.�

[Link]

Willo, if you're going to plagiarise the work of others (without giving them credit), in this case the Guardian's David Hytner, at least make the effort to get the spelling correct; it's "oversees" not "overseas".

Bexley Dave

Can you hear the Brighton sing? I can't hear a ******* thing!

"The most arrogant, obnoxious bunch of deluded little sun tanned, loafer wearing mummy's boys I've ever had the misfortune of having to listen to" (Burnley forum)

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