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View Stirlingsays's Profile Stirlingsays Flag 15 Sep 19 11.30am Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by sickboy

Also a fellow Eagle. Plenty more players you could have maybe picked on.

Perhaps.

 


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View Midlands Eagle's Profile Midlands Eagle Flag 15 Sep 19 11.43am Send a Private Message to Midlands Eagle Add Midlands Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by sickboy

Talent wise Butcher would walk into this current side. Did you not consider his batting average may be lower because of the bowlers he faced. Warne, murali, Mcgrath, donald, pollock etc etc. All vastly superior than those doing the rounds today

Hmmm. I'm not so sure about that. Warne and Murali are undoubtedly better than any current spin bowler but I'm not sure that Donald and Pollock (good as they were) were any better than Pat Cummins or even Josh Haslewood

 

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This is what Cricinfo had to say about Mark Butcher:-

Mark Butcher's Test career has consisted of four patchy years, three profitable ones, and one amazing day. He broke into the England side in 1997 as a combative opener with a punchy cover-drive, a sure sense of his off stump, and a glaring weakness against spin. Given an extended run, he repaid the selectors with vital centuries in 1998 against the world's two best teams - South Africa at Headingley and Australia at Brisbane. In 1999, he even captained England in a Test against New Zealand. But the runs dried up in South Africa, his Surrey form crumbled, and so did his marriage, to Alec Stewart's sister Judy. Butcher lost his appetite for the game, and his Test place to Marcus Trescothick. His father, Alan, a one-Test wonder and respected coach, helped him rebuild his technique and he made an unexpected comeback as a Test No. 3 in 2001. His fighting qualities brought a string of useful scores, and then came nirvana: a blazing, take-no-prisoners 173 not out against Australia at Headingley, turning a stiff run-chase into a breeze. It was the innings of his life. On the flat pitches of 2002, he finally achieved consistency, making 551 runs at 55 and maturely playing David Boon to Trescothick and Vaughan's Taylor and Slater. He also wrote and sang a touching ballad at the memorial service for his team-mate Ben Hollioake, entitled You're Never Gone. His old frailties resurfaced in the 2002-03 Ashes - running haplessly between the wickets and getting out when set - and carried over into the following year, when he was in arguably the form of his life. But he mounted a comeback in 2004, as England's highest scorer in their 3-0 Test series routing of West Indies in the Caribbean - where he made 296 runs in four matches, but a series of freak injuries the following summer brought to an end a run of 42 consecutive Test appearances, and left him once again on the periphery of the team. He reached 50 Tests, curiously, without playing in a single one-day international, and was appointed Surrey captain for the 2005 season, but broke his hand and was only able to take up the reins in the middle of August. Surrey were relegated soon afterwards and Butcher's injury problems intensified with a series of knee problems. After struggling to overcome them he retired during the 2009 season to bring an end to the Butcher-era at The Oval.

Tim de Lisle August 2009

 

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View sickboy's Profile sickboy Flag Deal or Croydon 15 Sep 19 11.50am Send a Private Message to sickboy Add sickboy as a friend

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

I wouldn't say I'm being that harsh....just saying it like it is. Butcher isn't the kind of batsman you have in your side if you're going to be threatening the number one or two slots for test sides.

Well, we can compare him to other England batsman of the era and their averages.

Good guy, average test batsman.

Edited by Stirlingsays (15 Sep 2019 11.26am)

I wasnt comparing him to other players of his era. You were comparing Denly to him.
I know which one i would take as a test batsman every day of the week.

 

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Originally posted by Midlands Eagle

If you believe the pundits Archer has gone from all rounder to tail ender in the space of just one series

Yep, I was kind of expecting more than a tail ender that's for sure.

 


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Originally posted by Midlands Eagle

Hmmm. I'm not so sure about that. Warne and Murali are undoubtedly better than any current spin bowler but I'm not sure that Donald and Pollock (good as they were) were any better than Pat Cummins or even Josh Haslewood

Notice you left out Mcgrath.

 

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Originally posted by sickboy

I wasnt comparing him to other players of his era. You were comparing Denly to him.
I know which one i would take as a test batsman every day of the week.

Fair enough.

Just musings.

 


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View steeleye20's Profile steeleye20 Flag Croydon 15 Sep 19 6.27pm Send a Private Message to steeleye20 Add steeleye20 as a friend

rooooooooooooooooot!!!!!!!

 

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Tom-the-eagle Flag Croydon 15 Sep 19 6.32pm

Originally posted by sickboy

I wasnt comparing him to other players of his era. You were comparing Denly to him.
I know which one i would take as a test batsman every day of the week.

Not sure I’d want to take either

 


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Tom-the-eagle Flag Croydon 15 Sep 19 6.35pm

Think a draw flatters England.

Aussies were better team for 70% of the sessions this series but not complaining.

Love Ashes cricket. Would just love to see us be competitive down under.

 


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View sickboy's Profile sickboy Flag Deal or Croydon 15 Sep 19 6.41pm Send a Private Message to sickboy Add sickboy as a friend

Originally posted by Tom-the-eagle

Not sure I’d want to take either

I said as a test batsman Tom, not from behind.

 

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Tom-the-eagle Flag Croydon 15 Sep 19 7.00pm

Originally posted by sickboy

I said as a test batsman Tom, not from behind.

Well you should of made yourself clearer.

 


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