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View Rudi Hedman's Profile Rudi Hedman Flag Caterham 30 Jul 19 8.25pm Send a Private Message to Rudi Hedman Add Rudi Hedman as a friend

Originally posted by rollercoaster


Palace is not a charity and Pulis treated the club badly and wasn't entitled to his bonus. In truth, surely we can all agree no one really deserves a million pound bonus. Pulis was paid very well for his services and earned more in a season with Palace than most of us earn in a career.

Many on here want the club to be more savvy with its money, I don't think giving away cash unnecessarily is what any of us want to see.

What? The going rate for saving doomed teams, clubs, their owners and finances from relegation is into the 1,2... millions. What you or anyone else earns is irrelevant.

The date that Pulis had to stay you could argue was to trap Pulis from leaving to another club, which it’s runoured was West Ham, but then I think they hired Allardyce due to availability. Pulis was trying to sign players he wanted and not who Parish wanted. It’s irrelevant whether Zaha, crouch, etherington or whoever else is favoured by Pulis or Parish or not.

There were issues going on because we weren’t signing anybody, and you know, because I’m sure it’s been said here plenty of times, that Pulis would’ve spent money, that was essential, especially after saving money in our first season, and Parish wasn’t spending anything but wanted to wait until 3 matches had passed. Pulis walked out just before the first match.

There are pros and cons to Parish’s handling and hiring of managers, or why we’ve gone through them, or to be precise, why we’ve had to hire emergency managers who’ll expect certain things. They lay out the home truths to Parish of why we’re likely to be relegated. It’s again why I accept Roy’s football. Parish and us are lucky Roy is here, even though the match day stubbornness is infuriating so often.

Edited by Rudi Hedman (30 Jul 2019 8.28pm)

 


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View Dannyh.V2's Profile Dannyh.V2 Flag Stone lickers 31 Jul 19 11.50am Send a Private Message to Dannyh.V2 Add Dannyh.V2 as a friend

Originally posted by Dannyh.V2

So why was that exactly ....I'll wait

Thought as much

 

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View est1905's Profile est1905 Flag 31 Jul 19 5.16pm Send a Private Message to est1905 Add est1905 as a friend

Originally posted by Midlands Eagle

I think that you need to look up the meaning of the word "deserve." Pulis deserved every penny of his bonus as not only did he ensure Premiership football for us but he also saved Parish a shedload of money in the process.

He may well not have fulfilled his contractual obligations which is a different matter

No it isn't. He doesn't deserve it because he didn't stick to his side of the agreement.
If I sell you a car thats valued at 5000 for 3000 on condition I get to keep the car for another three weeks and you drive off in it immediately leaving only 3000 payment is that deserved or undeserved? You decide. Its the same situation. Because of the contract agreement both issues of survival AND staying with the club were joined together. You cant seperate it out just because you are very happy with one aspect and choose to ignore the other.
Business doesn't really work like that my friend.

 

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View steeleye20's Profile steeleye20 Online Flag Croydon 31 Jul 19 5.40pm Send a Private Message to steeleye20 Add steeleye20 as a friend

Regardless of 'moaning' the manager must be very concerned at the lack of a replacement for AWB and only one left back in PVA.

Average players to provide cover will just not do for these positions IMHO.

 

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View Rudi Hedman's Profile Rudi Hedman Flag Caterham 31 Jul 19 5.41pm Send a Private Message to Rudi Hedman Add Rudi Hedman as a friend

Originally posted by est1905

No it isn't. He doesn't deserve it because he didn't stick to his side of the agreement.
If I sell you a car thats valued at 5000 for 3000 on condition I get to keep the car for another three weeks and you drive off in it immediately leaving only 3000 payment is that deserved or undeserved? You decide. Its the same situation. Because of the contract agreement both issues of survival AND staying with the club were joined together. You cant seperate it out just because you are very happy with one aspect and choose to ignore the other.
Business doesn't really work like that my friend.

Nothing like the same situation and Pulis left with disagreements over how we conducted and, as it turns out, always conduct transfer activity. Do nothing until until the last possible moment.

Pulis achieved what we all thought was an impossible task at the time, unless you were confident in the mess we were in putting 3 attacks over the final third each match.

There’s as much trapping a manager 3 weeks into the season when we do nothing on recruitment as there is the manager being discontented with what happens or doesn’t happen.

Great, Parish isn’t to be taken advantage of, but please don’t try to paint this image of him being squeaky clean and knowing more than any manager out there. How many times have we messed up the first half of the season, including that very season under Warnock? Only once have we been prepared. Under Pardew. Only once.

 


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View Rudi Hedman's Profile Rudi Hedman Flag Caterham 31 Jul 19 5.43pm Send a Private Message to Rudi Hedman Add Rudi Hedman as a friend

Originally posted by steeleye20

Regardless of 'moaning' the manager must be very concerned at the lack of a replacement for AWB and only one left back in PVA.

Average players to provide cover will just not do for these positions IMHO.

True, apart from Schlupp is probably the backup, or THE left back if pva doesn’t perform.

 


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View Bangell's Profile Bangell Flag Oxford 31 Jul 19 6.41pm Send a Private Message to Bangell Add Bangell as a friend

Originally posted by Rudi Hedman

Nothing like the same situation and Pulis left with disagreements over how we conducted and, as it turns out, always conduct transfer activity. Do nothing until until the last possible moment.

Pulis achieved what we all thought was an impossible task at the time, unless you were confident in the mess we were in putting 3 attacks over the final third each match.

There’s as much trapping a manager 3 weeks into the season when we do nothing on recruitment as there is the manager being discontented with what happens or doesn’t happen.

Great, Parish isn’t to be taken advantage of, but please don’t try to paint this image of him being squeaky clean and knowing more than any manager out there. How many times have we messed up the first half of the season, including that very season under Warnock? Only once have we been prepared. Under Pardew. Only once.

I'm seriously concerned about our ability to attract a good manager after Hodgson retires. Pulis and Allardyce leaving, with transfer activity surely playing a big part, and even in this transfer window we're leaving it late (and who knows, I wouldn't be surprised if we don't actually buy the players we need before the end of the window). FDB fired after 4 games (right thing to do, but would still deter a manager from trying to come in and transform things), and even Holloway recently said in an interview how he thought Parish had broken his agreement with him. Everybody knows we screw around with transfers and are never prepared for the season ahead.

 

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View Den1923's Profile Den1923 Flag 01 Aug 19 10.03am Send a Private Message to Den1923 Add Den1923 as a friend

Originally posted by Bangell

I'm seriously concerned about our ability to attract a good manager after Hodgson retires. Pulis and Allardyce leaving, with transfer activity surely playing a big part, and even in this transfer window we're leaving it late (and who knows, I wouldn't be surprised if we don't actually buy the players we need before the end of the window). FDB fired after 4 games (right thing to do, but would still deter a manager from trying to come in and transform things), and even Holloway recently said in an interview how he thought Parish had broken his agreement with him. Everybody knows we screw around with transfers and are never prepared for the season ahead.

and we always will whilst Parish is in control!

 

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View chris123's Profile chris123 Flag hove actually 01 Aug 19 11.28am Send a Private Message to chris123 Add chris123 as a friend

Also, following Mauricio Pochettino's comments the other day - maybe Roy should be titled coach too, if he's not in charge of transfers.

 

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View Willo's Profile Willo Online Flag South coast - west of Brighton. 01 Aug 19 11.34am Send a Private Message to Willo Add Willo as a friend

Originally posted by chris123

Also, following Mauricio Pochettino's comments the other day - maybe Roy should be titled coach too, if he's not in charge of transfers.

I recall last season, Sarri commenting that he didn't know what was happening transfer wise which raised a few eyebrows but it would appear this is fairly normal on the Continent - looks to be spreading to these shores!

Long gone are the days when a manager,and assistant use to traverse the length and breadth of this country, often in inclement weather to scout a player in midweek.


Edited by Willo (01 Aug 2019 11.35am)

 

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View ex hibitionist's Profile ex hibitionist Flag Hastings 01 Aug 19 4.41pm Send a Private Message to ex hibitionist Add ex hibitionist as a friend

This post has been merged from a topic called 'seb stafford bloor' by bexleydave

I think that's his name - wrote a great article a month ago re Parish and Palace - here's another - says Zaha is papering over cracks - we have no vision, our buys have no sell on value , our squad is ageing and imbalanced esp if you compare with Bournemouth

this journo seems to have a pretty keen eye and has got our club's number imho - he's probably a fan!

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View cpj's Profile cpj Flag Kent 01 Aug 19 4.47pm Send a Private Message to cpj Add cpj as a friend

This post has been merged from a topic called 'seb stafford bloor' by bexleydave

Excellent article on our lack of vision etc.

 

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