stirling my friend in these brexit days everyone else is talking rubbish ... the famines in the mid 19th centrury are a moot point, but hoarding of grain and distribution aimed to keep the price high or export out of India are generally accepted to have exacerbated mass famines - I believe one famine killed up to 10 million - the figures are staggering - and see if you can find Winnie's quotation about the Indians 'despicable people with a despicable religion' made around 1943 I believe then try this link - I know it's from the Guardian not the Daily Mail but the references are not made up (I hope it's not too 'middle class' for you) - frankly what is nonsense is to dismiss 100% another point of view especially when it's clearly well considered - I've got a degree in History btw so I don't just spout to support a cock-eyed world view which has nothing to do with understanding the world and everything to do with convincing my self I'm not a loser.

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I'll tackle the British in India point later.....Perhaps Churchill as well.

My particular point of criticism was on your descriptive understanding of: 'it goes back to the beginning I believe, the English invaded England'.

Also in your post here you seem to be describing the Anglo-Saxons as one tribe who invaded and displaced others when they came from different regions and invaded at different times and fought each other at different times.

The Anglo-Saxon title is very much a generalized description of the English now....and it's generalized as the genetic percentages fall over more groups than that....the video I linked to would explain that.

Outside of that specific 'English' point. I'd comment that your perspective, appears as inherently egalitarian in nature whereas mine is only partly so and far less idealistic perhaps.

That being the case our views and historical perpectives are probably going to be incompatible to an extent.

Still it will be interesting to explore.

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'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

I could write a long piece on the British on India but essentially I'll link you to a video instead....and yes, Churchill is in there as well.

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'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

the Brits invented the Concentration Camp.

and we will not mention the genocide Famine in 1840's ireland. Lord Trevelyan was a Hitler. Or its better grammar to say Hitler was a Trevelyan.

Eze Peasy at Anfield....

Not quite true but they have been fed years of propaganda about the Polish government in exile. To cut a long story short, they got blown up by a bomb from one of the Cambridge spies. Seeing as how the spies were clearly working for the Soviets the mind boggles as to how it could be concluded that it was Britain's fault.
The Poles main problem centres on thinking that Britain could do much more than it really could. They can't see how much we were second fiddle to the Soviets and the States. Churchill's deal with Stalin was always going to let Stalin do what he liked. What could Britain really do against the Red Army and the stark reality of war.

Red and Blue Army!