And thanks again. BTW I didn't report it as its not in my make up to be a grass. You got your own one there!

One aspect of the interview that shone out was that he didn’t seem to think he’d done anything wrong and actually tried to claim he’d done the honourable thing by sticking by Epstein despite the allegations against him. I guess that might be a bit more understandable if they had been lifelong friends but not in this case. He just came over as an incredibly privileged person who is unused to being questioned in any way - droit de seigneur personified.
Regarding the girl(s) involved it’s yet another sad case case of poor people, in this case underage, being exploited by rich men. The even sadder thing is that it is still going on all over the world.

I very much doubt the British Taxpayer or the Royal Family will cough up to pay Andy's legal bills or the out of court settlement if that's where all this is leading to? He has his own assets and will be required to use them. He'll be due for a state pension so he can live on that in the future like the rest of us.

Denial is not just a river in Egypt

True, but I wonder where that originally came from? If it's from profits gained by his association with Epstein then that is irony at it's most perverse.

Edited by Slimey Toad (07 Jan 2022 10.10am)

Again, read the story

Giuffre did not raise a case initially. There was a truly awful botched FBI case, leading to Giuffre the following year taking a civil case.

Lead police detective Joseph Recarey asserted that the state prosecutors were at first eager to pursue criminal action against Epstein, but that "everything took a turn" when lawyer Alan Dershowitz got involved.[39] Krischer then decided to take the unusual action of turning Epstein's case over to a grand jury, and then presented testimony from only one girl. Epstein's legal team aggressively sought concessions and prolonged the process when negotiating a plea deal with Alex Acosta.[40] Acosta, who described the tactics of Epstein's lawyers as a "year-long assault on the prosecution and prosecutors", eventually agreed to sign a controversial non-prosecution agreement in 2008, which was done without informing the victims,[40] later determined to be in violation of the Crime Victims' Rights Act.[41]

This lady appears to have been very brave after what appears to have been a year from hell

The traffickers and abusers deserve whatever is coming to them

Regarding UK sex rings, nobody on here said they shouldn’t be pursued with vigour. Only that anyone attempting to take the law into their own hands is likely to lead to justice not being done by perverting its course.

'They took photographs of the items, but left them at the residence as they did not have the warrant to remove them.'

How stunningly incompetent is that?

You turn up without a warrant for removal....bother to use a saw to open a safe....and then leave them unsecured....I'm speechless.

Are they raiding the US equivalence of Poundland for special agents nowadays?

Edited by Stirlingsays (07 Jan 2022 3.45pm)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)