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View Beanyboysmd's Profile Beanyboysmd Flag 21 May 22 9.23am Send a Private Message to Beanyboysmd Add Beanyboysmd as a friend

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

I thought of the title 'social liberalism and social conservatism'....but as social liberalism and support for degeneracy are practically synonymous these days I went with degeneracy.

We have far too many 'deep fakes' out there pretending to be conservatives when in reality the only thing they want to conserve is their bank account.

Watson has a good video out on this topic out now.

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Instead of teaching our children about myths like equality and far left talking points we should be teaching them about duty and responsibility.

This country has been spiralling down for decades and it's time for a correction.


Edited by Stirlingsays (10 Sep 2019 8.55pm)

So if we teach equality, duty and responsibility, both sides will be happy? I wish you had said so sooner, it would have saved a lot of silly debates...

 

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View Stirlingsays's Profile Stirlingsays Flag 21 May 22 9.48am Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by Beanyboysmd

So if we teach equality, duty and responsibility, both sides will be happy? I wish you had said so sooner, it would have saved a lot of silly debates...

Equality is a myth and it's highly damaging to society to teach it lies.

Something that's evident in the results.

 


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Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Equality is a myth and it's highly damaging to society to teach it lies.

Something that's evident in the results.

Maybe we have a different definition of what equality is because to me, that sentence is so bizarre that I am stunned that any rational person would say it. I am guessing its just a labelling issue though...

So what is equality exactly?

 

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Originally posted by Beanyboysmd

Maybe we have a different definition of what equality is because to me, that sentence is so bizarre that I am stunned that any rational person would say it. I am guessing its just a labelling issue though...

So what is equality exactly?

Equality is treating people equally.

You are stunned yet for most of history and...actually in most of the world the modern western ideas on equality aren't accepted. Apparently you think most of history or the world is irrational.

Yet the concept is a lie and gives us many irrational and damaging outcomes.

Edited by Stirlingsays (21 May 2022 10.16am)

 


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Equality is a political slogan of the left which really means treating certain minority groups differently / better than the rest of us (protected status).

It's a great catch word because how can you object to "equality" unless you are a racist / homophobe etc.

Well I don't believe in equality I believe in fairness everybody is entitled to be treated fairly by their boss or local council police etc.

Fairness does not mean you get employed or promoted because of a quota system. The quota system may not be government legislation but most major employers now have some form of unofficial guidelines.

Whatever happened to the best candidate...


 


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View Beanyboysmd's Profile Beanyboysmd Flag 21 May 22 10.33am Send a Private Message to Beanyboysmd Add Beanyboysmd as a friend

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Equality is treating people equally.

You are stunned yet for most of history and...actually in most of the world the modern western ideas on equality aren't accepted. Apparently you think most of history or the world is irrational.

Yet the concept is a lie and gives us many irrational and damaging outcomes.

Edited by Stirlingsays (21 May 2022 10.16am)

So equality is treating people equally, and you are against it.
Therefore you are against treating people equally. In the old days we didn't treat people equally, and your belief is that not treating people equally is better than treating people equally.
Have I got that clearly covered? Just want to make sure that I have clearly understood what you are communicating...

 

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View cryrst's Profile cryrst Flag Chatham 21 May 22 10.34am Send a Private Message to cryrst Add cryrst as a friend

Originally posted by Badger11

Equality is a political slogan of the left which really means treating certain minority groups differently / better than the rest of us (protected status).

It's a great catch word because how can you object to "equality" unless you are a racist / homophobe etc.

Well I don't believe in equality I believe in fairness everybody is entitled to be treated fairly by their boss or local council police etc.

Fairness does not mean you get employed or promoted because of a quota system. The quota system may not be government legislation but most major employers now have some form of unofficial guidelines.

Whatever happened to the best candidate...


They werenít disabled, gay,LGBTYFGDRVCD, black etc so donít have a chance.

 

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View cryrst's Profile cryrst Flag Chatham 21 May 22 10.39am Send a Private Message to cryrst Add cryrst as a friend

Originally posted by Beanyboysmd

So equality is treating people equally, and you are against it.
Therefore you are against treating people equally. In the old days we didn't treat people equally, and your belief is that not treating people equally is better than treating people equally.
Have I got that clearly covered? Just want to make sure that I have clearly understood what you are communicating...

Giving everyone the best chance, not increasing the chances artificially by giving an advantage because of colour, gender or any other minority choices. If people are given an equal chance and they fuk it up or arenít good enough then this isnít anti anything, itís equality. Do you not agree?
With colour,What happened 200 years ago should not have a bearing.

Edited by cryrst (21 May 2022 10.41am)

 

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View Stirlingsays's Profile Stirlingsays Flag 21 May 22 10.42am Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by Beanyboysmd

So equality is treating people equally, and you are against it.
Therefore you are against treating people equally. In the old days we didn't treat people equally, and your belief is that not treating people equally is better than treating people equally.
Have I got that clearly covered? Just want to make sure that I have clearly understood what you are communicating...

In many instances (not all) that is a myth or in reality a misunderstanding of the conditions and realities of the time.

What I'm for is treating people fairly in relation to their abilities. I believe that everyone deserves a standard that indicates civilisational practice and concern.

I believe in fairness, not equality.

For example, just recently we are told that women's football in the US is to receive equal pay. I believe that's an example of equality instead of fairness.....irrationality instead of rationality.

Edited by Stirlingsays (21 May 2022 10.42am)

 


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Originally posted by Stirlingsays

In many instances (not all) that is a myth or in reality a misunderstanding of the conditions and realities of the time.

What I'm for is treating people fairly in relation to their abilities. I believe that everyone deserves a standard that indicates civilisational practice and concern.

I believe in fairness, not equality.

For example, just recently we are told that women's football in the US is to receive equal pay. I believe that's an example of equality instead of fairness.....irrationality instead of rationality.

Edited by Stirlingsays (21 May 2022 10.42am)

Thats fine, so its really just a labelling issue. You believe more in a meritocracy, where you should be judged on your value rather than treated the same just because you exist. Would you say that im in the right area there?

Sidenote, that equal pay in America only applies to the national team, not clubs. Being paid the same amount to represent your country is probably not an unreasonable view. I find it weird that national teams pay players at all. Its borderline civic duty in my opinion

 

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View Nicholas91's Profile Nicholas91 Flag The Democratic Republic of Kent 21 May 22 10.59am Send a Private Message to Nicholas91 Add Nicholas91 as a friend

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

In many instances (not all) that is a myth or in reality a misunderstanding of the conditions and realities of the time.

What I'm for is treating people fairly in relation to their abilities. I believe that everyone deserves a standard that indicates civilisational practice and concern.

I believe in fairness, not equality.

For example, just recently we are told that women's football in the US is to receive equal pay. I believe that's an example of equality instead of fairness.....irrationality instead of rationality.

Edited by Stirlingsays (21 May 2022 10.42am)

Yep.

It's a bit like saying because your business is struggling compared to one of a similar size in the same market, we'll tax you less, give you loans you have no obligation to pay back and make it legally necessary for customers to use your business ahead of more successful competitors, you know, for equality.

Opportunity not outcome.

Interestingly, I remember having a conversation years ago with some youngsters (came to family doo on a family members invitation), doing A-levels and considering alternatives to uni, who were all discussing the possibility of identifying as anything other than 'British' (through any possible realities, of which there were many parents, grandparents etc to exploit) and as any other sexuality than 'heterosexual' which again is an easy enough tick box to get your foot in the door. They were looking to exploit loopholes in nonsensical rules and practices to maximise their chances in finding employment.

It is interesting that very genuine and IMHO necessary social advances, such as removal of discrimination etc have been hijacked by the exact same human nature that has caused them. It's not about equality, it's been about empowering those on the 'other side' to fight fire with fire. 'Tis rhubarb!!

 


Here's to you the famous red and blue.....

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View Nicholas91's Profile Nicholas91 Flag The Democratic Republic of Kent 21 May 22 11.02am Send a Private Message to Nicholas91 Add Nicholas91 as a friend

Originally posted by Beanyboysmd

Thats fine, so its really just a labelling issue. You believe more in a meritocracy, where you should be judged on your value rather than treated the same just because you exist. Would you say that im in the right area there?

Sidenote, that equal pay in America only applies to the national team, not clubs. Being paid the same amount to represent your country is probably not an unreasonable view. I find it weird that national teams pay players at all. Its borderline civic duty in my opinion

If that is the case then it's a very different kettle of fish IMHO and there should be no complaint there.

Funny how things can be taken so massively out of context and sensationalised to anger the soul! A very mild 'lol' at myself about 20 mins ago.

 


Here's to you the famous red and blue.....

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