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View Stirlingsays's Profile Stirlingsays Flag 21 May 22 12.08pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by Beanyboysmd

Thats fine, so its really just a labelling issue. You believe more in a meritocracy, where you should be judged on your value rather than treated the same just because you exist. Would you say that im in the right area there?

Sidenote, that equal pay in America only applies to the national team, not clubs. Being paid the same amount to represent your country is probably not an unreasonable view. I find it weird that national teams pay players at all. Its borderline civic duty in my opinion

I would say we are in the right area, yes. I do believe in a civilisational standard that isn't allowed to drop (as half of everyone is below average as the luck of the draw) but regardless as a meritocratic perspective lens, yes......I also think that works relatively as well. Often there is over reward for merit, as we see in football itself.

I get the 'same pay for the national team' argument and if that is what it is I have less concern in that context.....though I still think a relationship to revenue matters.

I also agree with you that really it would be better that a national player shouldn't really be paid, though perhaps there's more argument for that with the men's team than the women's as one set are millionaires whereas the others aren't.

Edited by Stirlingsays (21 May 2022 12.10pm)

 


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Originally posted by Nicholas91

Yep.

It's a bit like saying because your business is struggling compared to one of a similar size in the same market, we'll tax you less, give you loans you have no obligation to pay back and make it legally necessary for customers to use your business ahead of more successful competitors, you know, for equality.

Opportunity not outcome.

Interestingly, I remember having a conversation years ago with some youngsters (came to family doo on a family members invitation), doing A-levels and considering alternatives to uni, who were all discussing the possibility of identifying as anything other than 'British' (through any possible realities, of which there were many parents, grandparents etc to exploit) and as any other sexuality than 'heterosexual' which again is an easy enough tick box to get your foot in the door. They were looking to exploit loopholes in nonsensical rules and practices to maximise their chances in finding employment.

It is interesting that very genuine and IMHO necessary social advances, such as removal of discrimination etc have been hijacked by the exact same human nature that has caused them. It's not about equality, it's been about empowering those on the 'other side' to fight fire with fire. 'Tis rhubarb!!

Completely and utterly seconded Nicholas.

The system is always gamed as advantage is human nature.

You will get the person who complains about the quality and lack of services who simultaneously looks to pay as little tax as possible.

The guy who promotes equality also wants the long legged best looking bird for himself....in my experience....it's mostly double standards and b0llocks and the term needs re-framing to fairness.

Edited by Stirlingsays (21 May 2022 12.57pm)

 


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Originally posted by Beanyboysmd

So equality is treating people equally, and you are against it.
..

we are seeing a crusade to promote women & Feminism, LGBT, BLM etc.

their rights in the workplace and elsewhere.

i am still waiting for the big push to help :

- the disabled
- neurodiversity ( including dyslexia )
- the elderly

- people with invisible chronic medical conditions...diabetes, asthma, depression, etc.
- victims of industrial accidents

Equality, my ass. Many people of the highlighted category above, have absolutely nothing wrong with them. Except for righteous indignation, a sense of entitlement and the ability to burst out crying when they didnt win the lottery today.

women millionaires
gay millionaires
black millionaires....including many footballers.

Equality has been hijacked by leftie nutters.


How many footballers with mobility disability ? or elderly ones ?

Are our prisons filled with people with Learning Disabilities ? because society has failed them.

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Equality is disenfranchising europeans in favour of global capital.

They will also come for the Muslims, Hindus etc soon enough.

Religion and nationalism is bad for business.

 

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Pretty much sums up the pathetic state of conservatism.

 


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Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Pretty much sums up the pathetic state of conservatism.

Bring back Maggie. God I love that woman. Sticking it to the left sticking it to the French, you knew what it meant to be a conservative in those days.

Sure the left called you nasty names but so what I was proud to be a Tory and Labour had no answer to her policies so ya boo sucks.

Today we still get abuse from the left but we have nothing to be proud of.

If one Tory MP steps forward and says enough of this PC rubbish and bollocks to Remain they will win the next GE.

Edited by Badger11 (18 Jun 2022 1.32pm)

 


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Originally posted by Badger11

Bring back Maggie. God I love that woman. Sticking it to the left sticking it to the French, you knew what it meant to be a conservative in those days.

Sure the left called you nasty names but so what I was proud to be a Tory and Labour had no answer to her policies so ya boo sucks.

Today we still get abuse from the left but we have nothing to be proud of.

If one Tory MP steps forward and says enough of this PC rubbish and bollocks to Remain they will win the next GE.

Edited by Badger11 (18 Jun 2022 1.32pm)

Indeed, we can all point to things she might have done differently but I agree, we need another Thatcher in the conservative party.

She knew what she wanted and what direction to move towards....At least with a conviction politician they do what they say.

 


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Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Indeed, we can all point to things she might have done differently but I agree, we need another Thatcher in the conservative party.

She knew what she wanted and what direction to move towards....At least with a conviction politician they do what they say.

Oh yes but I still think that conservatives offer the best hope for me and mine tbh.
Hopefully this left wing tripe with the minority getting what they want is a blip.
Need a leader who calls a spade a spade to coin a phrase.
Best I have a kneel now

 

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Originally posted by cryrst

Oh yes but I still think that conservatives offer the best hope for me and mine tbh.
Hopefully this left wing tripe with the minority getting what they want is a blip.
Need a leader who calls a spade a spade to coin a phrase.
Best I have a kneel now

Cool, but for me, I didn't like the Blair government first time around.

 


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Edward Dutton on the link between neuroticism and the left and the rise of alphabet identities within young demographics.

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Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Indeed, we can all point to things she might have done differently but I agree, we need another Thatcher in the conservative party.

She knew what she wanted and what direction to move towards....At least with a conviction politician they do what they say.

Accuse me of cherry picking, but selling off social housing to the quick buck property barons was one of the worst acts of any PM in the last 50 years. Look where we are now.

 

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Originally posted by Slimey Toad

Accuse me of cherry picking, but selling off social housing to the quick buck property barons was one of the worst acts of any PM in the last 50 years. Look where we are now.

I don't disagree.

To not tie the selling of council housing stock to its replacement was one of the worst things she did.

But when looking at Thatcher it's a case of what choices there were.....It was Thatcher or Foot, Thatcher or Kinnock....I know who was better overall.

And if I look at the Tories now, she is head and shoulders better than any of them.

 


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