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 cryrst  The garden of England 17 Sep 19 9.22pm |
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How mad and EU meddling.
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deleted user  17 Sep 19 10.58pm |
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It's a tricky one because huge corporations are just as much a problem as expanding political and economic unions. Perhaps one of the few things I even like about the latter is that, like the US and China, they are big enough to stand up to corporations and impact their behaviour.
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| Stirlingsays 17 Sep 19 11.52pm |
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Originally posted by dollardays
It's a tricky one because huge corporations are just as much a problem as expanding political and economic unions. Perhaps one of the few things I even like about the latter is that, like the US and China, they are big enough to stand up to corporations and impact their behaviour. I get what you are saying there....I also see the flip side to that. The fewer nations and the more collectivised the power the easier it is for corporations to influence policy over far wider and larger populations. I see the EU as quite corrupt and in bed with corporations as it is.......Essentially I'm much more a fan of decentralised power bases as the larger the centralisation the less the powerful have to answer to localised needs and concerns. The less it needs to worry about those it governs the more power tends to be hoarded and abused.
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| deleted user 18 Sep 19 9.53am |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
I get what you are saying there....I also see the flip side to that. The fewer nations and the more collectivised the power the easier it is for corporations to influence policy over far wider and larger populations.
I see the EU as quite corrupt and in bed with corporations as it is.......Essentially I'm much more a fan of decentralised power bases as the larger the centralisation the less the powerful have to answer to localised needs and concerns. The less it needs to worry about those it governs the more power tends to be hoarded and abused. Yes, it's a tricky balance, as some nations or unions are naturally much bigger, more powerful and hold more sway. In such an environment smaller countries may be drawn into their orbit and simultaneously that of corporations that will attempt to extract what they need from them or bend them to their will. So I do agree, I just wonder how easy multiple smaller, decentralised power bases is in reality. It's is perhaps the ideal though.
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PalazioVecchio  south pole 18 Sep 19 5.38pm |
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imagine Lichtenstein with massive multinationals on its books, for tax purposes. the GDP figures go awry. It is called Leprechaun economics.
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ASCPFC  Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 18 Sep 19 6.01pm |
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Glad my tax is really high and being used to pay for a court case for a huge tech company. Barely reported on here, of course. I was talking about it in the pub last night and no one knew the case was on.
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| the.universal 18 Sep 19 7.33pm |
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Originally posted by dollardays
It's a tricky one because huge corporations are just as much a problem as expanding political and economic unions. Perhaps one of the few things I even like about the latter is that, like the US and China, they are big enough to stand up to corporations and impact their behaviour. But the EU encourages tax avoidance, allowing individual nations to cut deals with big businesses who the funnel nearly all their sales through that country, even when the transaction was carried out elsewhere eg Facebook/Ireland, Amazon/Luxembourg, Starbucks/Netherlands. A massive mistake because it’s so unnecessary, those companies would want to be in the same markets regardless of tax avoidance. Just less shareholder profit.
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| deleted user 19 Sep 19 8.24am |
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Originally posted by the.universal
But the EU encourages tax avoidance, allowing individual nations to cut deals with big businesses who the funnel nearly all their sales through that country, even when the transaction was carried out elsewhere eg Facebook/Ireland, Amazon/Luxembourg, Starbucks/Netherlands. A massive mistake because it’s so unnecessary, those companies would want to be in the same markets regardless of tax avoidance. Just less shareholder profit. There's more an issue of autonomy of nations with tax laws. Corporations even when deemed to have avoided tax manage to strike favourable deals of the likes that most of us would get with HMRC for instance. My argument is the due to the size of the EU they are still however more able to go after corporations in a substantial way (as can the US and China due to their size and influence), whereas smaller individual countries are less able to impact their behaviour. In a more general sense with the EU there's as big a down side than up, due to lack of control on immigration and so on. I'm just saying that there are pros and cons to every situation and arrangement.
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| YT Oxford 19 Sep 19 11.18am |
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I don't care where Gwyneth Paltrow's daughter is. And anyway, didn't she tell her mum to stop posting about her?
Palace since 19 August 1972. Palace 1 (Tony Taylor) Liverpool 1 (Emlyn Hughes) |
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