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View Stirlingsays's Profile Stirlingsays Flag 27 Sep 19 12.39am Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by SavoyTruffle

So because we aren’t going to see the benefits for a long time we shouldn’t start now? The major cathedrals of Europe often took centuries to complete. Set the wheel in motion now so future generations can feel the benefit.

Not what I said.....I've already spoken about the need for nuclear and effective climate change technologies.

Originally posted by SavoyTruffle

And as those places within their continent fill up, the next rung up the economic ladder will move to less densely populated areas / areas with more opportunities and so forth. If we can do something to encourage people to stay where they are I say go for it.

I would imagine that our attitudes to migration are very different. Regardless what methods are you putting forward to 'encourage people to stay where they are'......I wager it's nothing that is practical or realistic.

Originally posted by SavoyTruffle

Additionally as we decrease our dependancy on gas / oil, we become less reliant on fossil fuels from the Middle East, which means the profit margins for Western intervention wars decrease, which means less migration as people can stay in their homes as they aren’t reduced to rubble. Win, win as far as I see it.

Edited by SavoyTruffle (24 Sep 2019 11.24pm)

This is you believing pure bunk and fantasy.

 


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ANOTHER CLIMATE SCIENTIST WITH IMPECCABLE CREDENTIALS BREAKS RANKS: “OUR MODELS ARE MICKEY-MOUSE MOCKERIES OF THE REAL WORLD”

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View YT's Profile YT Flag Oxford 27 Sep 19 8.37am Send a Private Message to YT Add YT as a friend

Originally posted by martin2412

If this supposed global warming is being created by people, then we need to reduce the number of people in the world.

About time for WWIII anyone ?

Only if it could be sustainable and carbon-neutral. WWII consumed vast amounts of fossil fuels. And the noise pollution was terrible.

 


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View Mapletree's Profile Mapletree Flag Croydon 27 Sep 19 9.02am Send a Private Message to Mapletree Add Mapletree as a friend

Originally posted by Rubin


ANOTHER CLIMATE SCIENTIST WITH IMPECCABLE CREDENTIALS BREAKS RANKS: “OUR MODELS ARE MICKEY-MOUSE MOCKERIES OF THE REAL WORLD”

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You do know this doesn’t refute global warming?

 

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Originally posted by Mapletree

You do know this doesn’t refute global warming?

No one denies that the climate changes. It's cyclical.

From the reading I've done, we're heading for a grand solar minimum, lasting 30-40 years, which will cause a temperature decrease, caused by reduced sun activity.

Major Climate Paper Withdrawn By Nature
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Climate Scientists Write To UN: There Is No Climate Emergency
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What's the betting that the discussion that they're asking for won't be permitted? You would have thought that if the advocates had a strong case, they'd relish the opportunity to show that the 'deniers' are incorrect, and to end the argument.


Edited by Rubin (27 Sep 2019 10.20am)

 

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W12 27 Sep 19 7.33pm

The "climate emergency" is another way of controlling langauge and another way to justify increasing taxes on those that are productive to support "social justice" (the central tenet of which is funding mass immigration).

Just think about why "climate denial" has now entered into common parlance. Now where did that phrase originate from that makes people feel so uncomfortable?

 

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View Stirlingsays's Profile Stirlingsays Flag 27 Sep 19 7.58pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by W12

The "climate emergency" is another way of controlling langauge and another way to justify increasing taxes on those that are productive to support "social justice" (the central tenet of which is funding mass immigration).

Just think about why "climate denial" has now entered into common parlance. Now where did that phrase originate from that makes people feel so uncomfortable?

The media's gate keeping and the attempts to control and demonise language are just more evidence of the path we have been led down.

Imagine if the 'Yellow Jackets' had been protesting against a government that the EU media didn't like.....The BBC for example, would have those stories on the front page every day.

Just like they highlight 'death threats' against certain people but not others......All agenda.

Like Sargon said....Dirty dirty smear merchants.

Edited by Stirlingsays (27 Sep 2019 7.59pm)

 


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deleted user Flag 27 Sep 19 8.00pm

It's hard to argue against humans playing a role in climate change and almost all other environment issues. There's been far more money from the oil industry thrown at rubbishing climate change research than there ever will be in the opposite direction.

It's immensely rational long term to 'go green' whether it's renewable or even nuclear, and current methods of energy consumption look archaic in real time. As has been said by others though, getting the whole world on board with such a thing starts to enter pipe dream territory.

Depending on how drastic the situation became I could even see a future where there are wars as result of energy policy. The planet will always readjust though. 'Life goes on'.

Edited by dollardays (27 Sep 2019 8.05pm)

 

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Originally posted by dollardays

It's hard to argue against humans playing a role in climate change and almost all other environment issues. There's been far more money from the oil industry thrown at rubbishing climate change research than there ever will be in the opposite direction.

It's immensely rational long term to 'go green' whether it's renewable or even nuclear, and current methods of energy consumption look archaic in real time. As has been said by others though, getting the whole world on board with such a thing starts to enter pipe dream territory.

Depending on how drastic the situation became I could even see a future where there are wars as result of energy policy. The planet will always readjust though. 'Life goes on'.

Edited by dollardays (27 Sep 2019 8.02pm)

Your last line says it all.
Until people understand this we will all be taken to the cleaners.

 

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View cryrst's Profile cryrst Flag The garden of England 27 Sep 19 8.46pm Send a Private Message to cryrst Add cryrst as a friend

This girl is mentally ill
Her mother said so.
Why oh why are they exploiting her.
I guess a meal ticket might be top of the agenda.

 

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View Rubin's Profile Rubin Flag 27 Sep 19 9.18pm Send a Private Message to Rubin Add Rubin as a friend

Originally posted by dollardays

It's hard to argue against humans playing a role in climate change and almost all other environment issues. There's been far more money from the oil industry thrown at rubbishing climate change research than there ever will be in the opposite direction.

It's immensely rational long term to 'go green' whether it's renewable or even nuclear, and current methods of energy consumption look archaic in real time. As has been said by others though, getting the whole world on board with such a thing starts to enter pipe dream territory.

Depending on how drastic the situation became I could even see a future where there are wars as result of energy policy. The planet will always readjust though. 'Life goes on'.

Edited by dollardays (27 Sep 2019 8.05pm)

Not saying you're wrong, but have you got any evidence for this? I've no idea if big oil etc have funded any studies, and I'd be interested in finding out, and seeing what the outcome of the studies was. From the little bit of googling I've just done, it seems as though they have funded studies arguing against it up until 2007, but are now in fact funding the other side for various reasons. [Link]

From what I've heard, the "97% of clitmate scientists" argument is mostly a result of the threat of the withdrawing of the funding of studies if agreeable results are not produced, meaning "if you don't give us the results we want, you won't be able to put food on your table or pay your mortgage".

Completely agree with your second paragraph. Not accusing you of doing this, but one thing that often crops up is the people conflate 'man made climate change' with pollution, and if you question the former, accuse you of being in favour of the latter and 'big oil'.

The issue however, is that none of the current renewable sources really cut the mustard. Solar panels barely pay off their carbon footprint before they need to be replaced, and wind turbines are unsightly, massively expensive, and their blades are currently being buried in the ground in some places. Nuclear does seem to be the way to go until they've developed better renewable sources.

Edited by Rubin (27 Sep 2019 9.45pm)

 

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View Mapletree's Profile Mapletree Flag Croydon 27 Sep 19 11.31pm Send a Private Message to Mapletree Add Mapletree as a friend

Originally posted by Rubin

Not saying you're wrong, but have you got any evidence for this? I've no idea if big oil etc have funded any studies, and I'd be interested in finding out, and seeing what the outcome of the studies was. From the little bit of googling I've just done, it seems as though they have funded studies arguing against it up until 2007, but are now in fact funding the other side for various reasons. [Link]

From what I've heard, the "97% of clitmate scientists" argument is mostly a result of the threat of the withdrawing of the funding of studies if agreeable results are not produced, meaning "if you don't give us the results we want, you won't be able to put food on your table or pay your mortgage".

Completely agree with your second paragraph. Not accusing you of doing this, but one thing that often crops up is the people conflate 'man made climate change' with pollution, and if you question the former, accuse you of being in favour of the latter and 'big oil'.

The issue however, is that none of the current renewable sources really cut the mustard. Solar panels barely pay off their carbon footprint before they need to be replaced, and wind turbines are unsightly, massively expensive, and their blades are currently being buried in the ground in some places. Nuclear does seem to be the way to go until they've developed better renewable sources.

Edited by Rubin (27 Sep 2019 9.45pm)

Your view of wind turbines seems at odds with what I have read.

Here is a random example

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