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Alex1991 Ashford 19 Oct 19 11.40pm
Originally posted by CT GUY-BIGBALD EAGLE The same best team that lost 2-0 to the wolves, and was beaten by Norwich? Wait, was also beaten by us last season They battered both of those teams, particularly Wolves. "Brighton are talking about how they're coming for us. And it's like, we've been waiting in the Premier League for you for ages." Wilfried Zaha, 2017.
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Alex1991

Ashford 19 Oct 19 11.40pm

Originally posted by CT GUY-BIGBALD EAGLE

The same best team that lost 2-0 to the wolves, and was beaten by Norwich? Wait, was also beaten by us last season

They battered both of those teams, particularly Wolves.

"Brighton are talking about how they're coming for us. And it's like, we've been waiting in the Premier League for you for ages." Wilfried Zaha, 2017.

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Rachid Rachid Rachid 19 Oct 19 11.45pm
Originally posted by EddieMac Ah we were beaten by the much better side and it could have been 6 or 7 , but in the same breath if Benteke’s header goes in with 15 to go then we would have been chasing a point. Football is a funny all game. We lost and we all expected to lose but the big plus is that we were not completely battered so no long lasting damage done. Edited by EddieMac (19 Oct 2019 11.39pm) This was my take as well. City were wasteful but won the game through hitting us on the break when we tried to respond to their first goal. We at least made a fist of trying to get back into the game without getting torn apart. Also agree that Schlupp isn’t doing enough to earn his place in the team at the moment.
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Originally posted by EddieMac

Ah we were beaten by the much better side and it could have been 6 or 7 , but in the same breath if Benteke’s header goes in with 15 to go then we would have been chasing a point. Football is a funny all game.

We lost and we all expected to lose but the big plus is that we were not completely battered so no long lasting damage done.

Edited by EddieMac (19 Oct 2019 11.39pm)

This was my take as well. City were wasteful but won the game through hitting us on the break when we tried to respond to their first goal.

We at least made a fist of trying to get back into the game without getting torn apart.

Also agree that Schlupp isn’t doing enough to earn his place in the team at the moment.

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PatrickA London 20 Oct 19 11.02am
When I saw the City line up with two midfielders at centre half and a back four that had not played together before there was a part of me that wanted to take the game to City and pump high balls into the box and use the aerial advantage of having Cahill, Tomkins, Benteke and Kouyate at our disposal. It’s no coincidence that our closest opportunity was the Benteke header from a corner. However, I have to accept that is not the Hodgson way. It will be interesting to see what he does at Arsenal, however. Benteke and Zaha did very well against Arsenal last season and it must be tempting to try it again. It would mean dropping Ayew though and he’s integral to Hodgson’s defending from the front approach.
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London 20 Oct 19 11.02am

When I saw the City line up with two midfielders at centre half and a back four that had not played together before there was a part of me that wanted to take the game to City and pump high balls into the box and use the aerial advantage of having Cahill, Tomkins, Benteke and Kouyate at our disposal.
It’s no coincidence that our closest opportunity was the Benteke header from a corner.
However, I have to accept that is not the Hodgson way.
It will be interesting to see what he does at Arsenal, however.
Benteke and Zaha did very well against Arsenal last season and it must be tempting to try it again.
It would mean dropping Ayew though and he’s integral to Hodgson’s defending from the front approach.

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grumpymort US/Thailand/UK 20 Oct 19 12.13pm
Originally posted by braunstoneagle 1) its called conserving energy, explosive players need to do that 2) nothing in front of him so whats the point in getting to the byline with potentially only ayew in the box 3) over the last 18 months he has done this 4) see point 2 5) no attacker does, he still does it tho as its part of his job 6) roys choice 7) agreed, thats my only criticism of him. he has more dribbles than any player in the PL this season, hardly strikes me as a player who doesnt show for the ball. is wilf a world class player, probably not...is he the best player outside the top 6...yes. and he plays for our club, we should embrace this not just picking everything apart after a 2 zip loss against the champions. 1. what a load of tosh yes at times walking around is fine but not when your team has the ball or loses the ball look at when he was beaten to it by an old player at the back he took ages to get back yet look at the likes of Silver the guy again is old player he is trying to move around get involved all the time. 2. again load of rubbish plenty of times other players around and other thing if players know you are not going to deliver then why even bother to put effort in to get their this appears to be the case with Palace. 3. remove the rose tinted glasses he still does the tricks even in own half remember the Wolves game he tried the tricks lost the ball they went and scored o was that over 18 months ago no. 4. no point saying anyway here already said my piece. 5. false again you really dont have a clue about this sport do you modern football requires it may not like it but you get paid to do a job do it with proper amount of effort. 6. is it? or was it apart of him throwing toys out the pram that he would play more of that role. 7. 8. dribble stats are meaningless as already said about doing tricks all the time well this counts and whats point dribbling if you go nowhere with it his assists stats are poor so is his goals which are more important. best player outside top 6 you are having a laugh. (VPN) - [Link] (Alt VPN) - [Link]
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Originally posted by braunstoneagle

1) its called conserving energy, explosive players need to do that
2) nothing in front of him so whats the point in getting to the byline with potentially only ayew in the box
3) over the last 18 months he has done this
4) see point 2
5) no attacker does, he still does it tho as its part of his job
6) roys choice
7) agreed, thats my only criticism of him.
he has more dribbles than any player in the PL this season, hardly strikes me as a player who doesnt show for the ball.

is wilf a world class player, probably not...is he the best player outside the top 6...yes.

and he plays for our club, we should embrace this not just picking everything apart after a 2 zip loss against the champions.

1. what a load of tosh yes at times walking around is fine but not when your team has the ball or loses the ball look at when he was beaten to it by an old player at the back he took ages to get back yet look at the likes of Silver the guy again is old player he is trying to move around get involved all the time.

2. again load of rubbish plenty of times other players around and other thing if players know you are not going to deliver then why even bother to put effort in to get their this appears to be the case with Palace.

3. remove the rose tinted glasses he still does the tricks even in own half remember the Wolves game he tried the tricks lost the ball they went and scored o was that over 18 months ago no.

4. no point saying anyway here already said my piece.

5. false again you really dont have a clue about this sport do you modern football requires it may not like it but you get paid to do a job do it with proper amount of effort.

6. is it? or was it apart of him throwing toys out the pram that he would play more of that role.

8. dribble stats are meaningless as already said about doing tricks all the time well this counts and whats point dribbling if you go nowhere with it his assists stats are poor so is his goals which are more important.

best player outside top 6 you are having a laugh.

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samprior Hamburg 20 Oct 19 2.15pm
Originally posted by grumpymort 1. what a load of tosh yes at times walking around is fine but not when your team has the ball or loses the ball look at when he was beaten to it by an old player at the back he took ages to get back yet look at the likes of Silver the guy again is old player he is trying to move around get involved all the time. 2. again load of rubbish plenty of times other players around and other thing if players know you are not going to deliver then why even bother to put effort in to get their this appears to be the case with Palace. 3. remove the rose tinted glasses he still does the tricks even in own half remember the Wolves game he tried the tricks lost the ball they went and scored o was that over 18 months ago no. 4. no point saying anyway here already said my piece. 5. false again you really dont have a clue about this sport do you modern football requires it may not like it but you get paid to do a job do it with proper amount of effort. 6. is it? or was it apart of him throwing toys out the pram that he would play more of that role. 7. 8. dribble stats are meaningless as already said about doing tricks all the time well this counts and whats point dribbling if you go nowhere with it his assists stats are poor so is his goals which are more important. best player outside top 6 you are having a laugh. He didn't have a good game nothing more nothing less. First touch was poor and wasteful in possession on a few occasions. He wasn't the first and won't be the last good player to have a bad game against such quality opposition. I've no doubt he'll have better games this season and some where he'll almost single handedly win us some points. So I can forgive him for having an off day against the champions. As for being best player outside of the top 6. The top 6 is a little unusual at present but if you take the traditional top 6 teams then Zaha would definitely be amongst a group of attacking players who are good enough to play for a top team. Whether they can match his value is another question but you wouldn't get many teams in the league who'd turn down his services.
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Hamburg 20 Oct 19 2.15pm

Originally posted by grumpymort

3. remove the rose tinted glasses he still does the tricks even in own half remember the Wolves game he tried the tricks lost the ball they went and scored o was that over 18 months ago no.

4. no point saying anyway here already said my piece.

5. false again you really dont have a clue about this sport do you modern football requires it may not like it but you get paid to do a job do it with proper amount of effort.

6. is it? or was it apart of him throwing toys out the pram that he would play more of that role.

best player outside top 6 you are having a laugh.

He didn't have a good game nothing more nothing less. First touch was poor and wasteful in possession on a few occasions. He wasn't the first and won't be the last good player to have a bad game against such quality opposition.

I've no doubt he'll have better games this season and some where he'll almost single handedly win us some points. So I can forgive him for having an off day against the champions.

As for being best player outside of the top 6. The top 6 is a little unusual at present but if you take the traditional top 6 teams then Zaha would definitely be amongst a group of attacking players who are good enough to play for a top team. Whether they can match his value is another question but you wouldn't get many teams in the league who'd turn down his services.

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Pete53 Hassocks 20 Oct 19 2.48pm
Originally posted by samprior He didn't have a good game nothing more nothing less. First touch was poor and wasteful in possession on a few occasions. He wasn't the first and won't be the last good player to have a bad game against such quality opposition. I've no doubt he'll have better games this season and some where he'll almost single handedly win us some points. So I can forgive him for having an off day against the champions. As for being best player outside of the top 6. The top 6 is a little unusual at present but if you take the traditional top 6 teams then Zaha would definitely be amongst a group of attacking players who are good enough to play for a top team. Whether they can match his value is another question but you wouldn't get many teams in the league who'd turn down his services. I'm not so sure. If any of the "big six" had really rated him that highly one if them would have made much more of an effort to sign him than appeared to be the case. You say "whether they can match his value" - well there are two sides to that - the value we place on him, and the value potential buyers place on him, and, I fear at the moment, the latter is increasingly less than the former.
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Hassocks 20 Oct 19 2.48pm

Originally posted by samprior

I've no doubt he'll have better games this season and some where he'll almost single handedly win us some points. So I can forgive him for having an off day against the champions.

I'm not so sure. If any of the "big six" had really rated him that highly one if them would have made much more of an effort to sign him than appeared to be the case.

You say "whether they can match his value" - well there are two sides to that - the value we place on him, and the value potential buyers place on him, and, I fear at the moment, the latter is increasingly less than the former.

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samprior Hamburg 20 Oct 19 3.31pm
Originally posted by Pete53 I'm not so sure. If any of the "big six" had really rated him that highly one if them would have made much more of an effort to sign him than appeared to be the case. You say "whether they can match his value" - well there are two sides to that - the value we place on him, and the value potential buyers place on him, and, I fear at the moment, the latter is increasingly less than the former. Yes that was kind of my point. Is he good enough to play for them? Yes Would they have him in their team/squad? Yes Will they pay 'our' value? Maybe not but in my eyes that doesn't mean he's not good enough to play for them.
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samprior

Hamburg 20 Oct 19 3.31pm

Originally posted by Pete53

I'm not so sure. If any of the "big six" had really rated him that highly one if them would have made much more of an effort to sign him than appeared to be the case.

Yes that was kind of my point.

Is he good enough to play for them? Yes
Would they have him in their team/squad? Yes
Will they pay 'our' value? Maybe not but in my eyes that doesn't mean he's not good enough to play for them.

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Alex1991 Ashford 20 Oct 19 4.45pm
Originally posted by samprior Yes that was kind of my point. Is he good enough to play for them? Yes Would they have him in their team/squad? Yes Will they pay 'our' value? Maybe not but in my eyes that doesn't mean he's not good enough to play for them. Is he any better than Mahrez ? "Brighton are talking about how they're coming for us. And it's like, we've been waiting in the Premier League for you for ages." Wilfried Zaha, 2017.
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Alex1991

Ashford 20 Oct 19 4.45pm

Originally posted by samprior

Yes that was kind of my point.

Is he good enough to play for them? Yes
Would they have him in their team/squad? Yes
Will they pay 'our' value? Maybe not but in my eyes that doesn't mean he's not good enough to play for them.

Is he any better than Mahrez ?

"Brighton are talking about how they're coming for us. And it's like, we've been waiting in the Premier League for you for ages." Wilfried Zaha, 2017.

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Tickled pink Cornwall 21 Oct 19 12.51am
Originally posted by Alex1991 They battered both of those teams, particularly Wolves. Yes they did batter them and against us they also had some fabulous moments of miss-passing and panicking which we unlike Norwich and Wolves could not capitalise on but their ball playing and off ball movement was outstanding as in those two games against Wolves and Norwich all three games could easily have ended with them scoring four to five quite easily.
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Tickled pink

Cornwall 21 Oct 19 12.51am

Originally posted by Alex1991

They battered both of those teams, particularly Wolves.

Yes they did batter them and against us they also had some fabulous moments of miss-passing and panicking which we unlike Norwich and Wolves could not capitalise on but their ball playing and off ball movement was outstanding as in those two games against Wolves and Norwich all three games could easily have ended with them scoring four to five quite easily.

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Tickled pink Cornwall 21 Oct 19 1.27am
Best away kit of all time.
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Best away kit of all time.

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YT Oxford 21 Oct 19 5.55am
Man City goalie is the goalie in the BBC Team of the Week. Palace since 19 August 1972. Palace 1 (Tony Taylor) Liverpool 1 (Emlyn Hughes)
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Man City goalie is the goalie in the BBC Team of the Week.

Palace since 19 August 1972. Palace 1 (Tony Taylor) Liverpool 1 (Emlyn Hughes)

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samprior Hamburg 21 Oct 19 7.04am
Originally posted by Alex1991 Is he any better than Mahrez ? He doesn't show the finesse that Mahrez can display but then Mahrez doesn't have some of Wilf's qualities. I'd put them in the same group of players tbh. Their skillsets would obviously be better suited to certain teams however both would happily be welcomed into any team in the league.
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samprior

Hamburg 21 Oct 19 7.04am

Originally posted by Alex1991

Is he any better than Mahrez ?

He doesn't show the finesse that Mahrez can display but then Mahrez doesn't have some of Wilf's qualities. I'd put them in the same group of players tbh. Their skillsets would obviously be better suited to certain teams however both would happily be welcomed into any team in the league.

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