Anyone who is of the view that tactical dissemination of misinformation (a classic case of selective editing here) across social media by each parties spin departments has no effect on voting intentions is living in a dustbin. It is getting more and more brazen with each passing day. There should be regulations in place, but while there aren’t, who can blame their PR departments for taking full advantage.

Did you know? 98.0000001% of people are morons.

Never felt so flat with regards to an election before. Especially one with so much at stake with regards to not only Brexit but our collective faith in the democratic process.

Yes, I want the Tories to win but solely because I believe they are the only option that will allow us to exit the EU. How meaningful that exit will be, I am not sure and have no real faith in Johnson to do anything else other than what is good for Johnson but I guess the same could be said for all of them.

Once there is one less star on that s***ty flag, I reckon I might turn my back on all this political malarkey. A waste of energy and time.

"The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.

The manifestos will be out soon, that'll cheer everyone up.

Of course, because you can't accept losing the proper one.

Labour's policy is to say the opposite of what the government say and move the goalposts on a weekly basis.

Their manifesto will be a list of ridiculous aims and promises that the country cannot afford and they will never deliver.

Don't get me Started on confusing, the Tory's started this brexit B*llsh*t, and the referendum campaign was one of the most confusing in history, full of grandiose promises which they had no idea if they could achieve. I still don't actually know if the current deal hits any of these promises.

But I don't think people are confused by Labours stance per se. It's just more tedious mudslinging from the one party to another - They're all the same.
I think that if Labour do gain control, they are going to want to put a Deal in place that is their deal. I get that, they're hardly going to be the ones to implement another parties deal. I do think using the 'We can get a much better deal' argument is rather defamatory to the efforts of May/BJ over the past 3 years. Quite why they think they can promise a better deal is beyond me.
If they manage it, well done. But you can guarantee that they'll sell their 'deal' as 'much better' than Mays or BJs. Even if it isn't.
Then they've said they'll let the country decide if it's worth leaving for.
It's my view that this is the best way forward.

As for them voting against their own deal, have no illusions; before this whole Brexit shenanigans, EVERY party (Farage's aside) would have voted against leaving the EU. May was a Remainer FFS. and BJ has said in the past that he didn't think that a British government would leave the Single Market.

The referendum opposed the view of the majority of MPs. Now there are a minority of MPs who either genuinely agree with leaving the EU or are doing so to uphold the democratic vote, regardless of their views on the matter (which tbf is their job) - all of whom have now been given a job by BJ.
He can't pass a deal because none of those voting on it want to leave the EU in the first place.

"It was a Team effort, I guess it took all players working together to lose this one"

With respect, Brexit is as a direct result of 1 Million more people voting to leave than remain and it is only because of a 'Hung Parliament' that Brexit has not been delivered.

Furthermore there wasn't a Tory referendum campaign, there was a Leave and Remain campaign and to-date both Leavers and Remainers are accusing the other 'Camp' of claims and statements in negative terms.

Regards "Voting against their deal" it does sound rather ridiculous Labour stating that they could negotiate a far better deal than has been negotiated thus far yet would then vote against it!!!!

I come from the ERG "Spartan" wing of the Conservative Party and whilst Johnson's deal is not Valhalla, in the interests of finally getting Brexit done I would support it in the lobby if I was in the Commons.

Time will tell how this will all play out during the election campaign.

I'm afraid I shall be exceedingly busy during the election campaign so alas my contributions on HOL will be limited, probably much to the delight of many on here! Please forgive me if I fail to respond to posts which request my opinion as in all probability I will not have viewed it due to time constraints.

Edited by Willo (06 Nov 2019 3.04pm)