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deleted user Flag 12 Nov 19 6.22pm

Originally posted by steeleye20

Hilary Clinton has called Downing Street’s suppression of a report into potential Russian infiltration of British politics “damaging, inexplicable and shaming”.

Well, well


She's not wrong to be fair, but it's like if Tony Blair decides that he thinks he needs to be heard on something, people just tune out.

 

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deleted user Flag 12 Nov 19 6.24pm

Westminster voting intention:

CON: 35% (+1)
LAB: 29% (+3)
LDEM: 17% (-2)
BREX: 10% (-2)
GRN: 1% (-)

via@Survation, 06 - 08 Nov
Chgs. w/ 30 Oct
— Britain Elects (@britainelects)November 12, 2019

*This poll was conducted before the Brexit Party had announced it was not going to stand candidates in Conservative held seats.

 

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deleted user Flag 12 Nov 19 6.38pm

Westminster Voting Intention:

CON: 42% (+3)
LAB: 28% (+2)
LDM: 15% (-2)
BXP: 4% (-6)
GRN: 4% (=)

Via@YouGov, 11-12 Nov.
Changes w/ 7-8 Nov.
— Election Maps UK (@ElectionMapsUK)November 12, 2019

YouGov poll for Sky News suggests the Tories will benefit from Farage's decision to stand aside in seats they are defending - [Link]

 

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View Midlands Eagle's Profile Midlands Eagle Flag 12 Nov 19 7.18pm Send a Private Message to Midlands Eagle Add Midlands Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by dollardays

Westminster Voting Intention:

CON: 42% (+3)
LAB: 28% (+2)
LDM: 15% (-2)
BXP: 4% (-6)
GRN: 4% (=)

I don't know how the Lib Dem's battle bus will affect the voting as I think that "Jo Swinson's Liberal Democrats" in huge letters on the side would put me off as it makes them sound like a rock band - Jeff Lynne's ELO perhaps

 

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View Matov's Profile Matov Flag 12 Nov 19 7.19pm Send a Private Message to Matov Add Matov as a friend

The more we get into this campaign, the more I struggle to understand why Labour have allowed themselves to get into this second referendum nonsense. An utter disaster for them with it playing badly every time it comes up. Is there a single extra vote in that position for them? Insanity.

 


"The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.

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View Badger11's Profile Badger11 Flag Beckenham 12 Nov 19 7.54pm Send a Private Message to Badger11 Add Badger11 as a friend

Originally posted by Midlands Eagle

I don't know how the Lib Dem's battle bus will affect the voting as I think that "Jo Swinson's Liberal Democrats" in huge letters on the side would put me off as it makes them sound like a rock band - Jeff Lynne's ELO perhaps

I have a bee in my bonnet about the competency Of the Lib Dems. Tonight on LBC Ian Dale took apart the Lib Dem Environment spokesperson this is about the 3/4 time in as many weeks when he has done this different people different topics. They all suffer for one obvious reason they don't know their brief.

Now I know he is a close to the Tory party but he has a go at them and Labour and they seem to be able to hold their own against him he's not Jeremy Paxman but he knows his facts.

If I was thinking of voting for them I would be seriously worried they are from the Diane Abbott school of politics. Tonight all this woman wanted to talk about was the £8m per year we will lose from the EU when we Brexit for flood defences. When asked how much does the UK government spend she didn't know, remember she is their environment expert. Dale had to point out it was 4.5bn pa so £8m is a big so f**king what.

They need to up their game because so far I have yet to hear one of their key players have a good argument they just want to parrot what they have been told.

Don't get me wrong Tories and Labour have their idiots but boy ever time I hear a Lib Dem spokesperson I groan, do your damn homework.

 


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View Badger11's Profile Badger11 Flag Beckenham 12 Nov 19 7.58pm Send a Private Message to Badger11 Add Badger11 as a friend

Originally posted by Matov

The more we get into this campaign, the more I struggle to understand why Labour have allowed themselves to get into this second referendum nonsense. An utter disaster for them with it playing badly every time it comes up. Is there a single extra vote in that position for them? Insanity.

Agreed sitting on the fence about the biggest political question is not a good look.

Labour should have come out as a solid Remain party they may lose some seats but I think they would also gain some. As it is 100 MPS have signed a letter stating they will campaign to Remain which is against party policy. Corbyn is now in the same position as May was his own MPs are actively campaigning against official party policy.

As for potential Labour voters "Confused you will be"

 


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View Matov's Profile Matov Flag 12 Nov 19 8.06pm Send a Private Message to Matov Add Matov as a friend

Originally posted by Badger11

Agreed sitting on the fence about the biggest political question is not a good look.

Labour should have come out as a solid Remain party they may lose some seats but I think they would also gain some. As it is 100 MPS have signed a letter stating they will campaign to Remain which is against party policy. Corbyn is now in the same position as May was his own MPs are actively campaigning against official party policy.

As for potential Labour voters "Confused you will be"

But even as a solid Remain party, where do they gain the seats? It is a boring point, that is made time and time again but the constituency break down of both the Brexit vote and EU elections points to the reality that it is bloody difficult for a Remain position to win an election.

Now in 2017 Labour did bloody well by backing Brexit. It is insanity for them to back away from that.

 


"The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.

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Originally posted by Badger11

Agreed sitting on the fence about the biggest political question is not a good look.

Labour should have come out as a solid Remain party they may lose some seats but I think they would also gain some. As it is 100 MPS have signed a letter stating they will campaign to Remain which is against party policy. Corbyn is now in the same position as May was his own MPs are actively campaigning against official party policy.

As for potential Labour voters "Confused you will be"

After the referendum all parties should have allowed their MP's a free vote on matters Brexit.

 

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deleted user Flag 12 Nov 19 8.45pm

Originally posted by Matov

The more we get into this campaign, the more I struggle to understand why Labour have allowed themselves to get into this second referendum nonsense. An utter disaster for them with it playing badly every time it comes up. Is there a single extra vote in that position for them? Insanity.

With a different leader, I think they'd have been more inclined to take a Lib Dem-like stance and consequently take a bigger bite out of their vote. Unbudgeable Corbyn isn't particularly pro-EU though and so he's at odds with the majority in his own party, and this whole 'when it matches our five tests', or 'second referendum, but we're not sure if we'll campaign for in or out' stance is the ill conceived compromise within the party.

Whether some will look beyond this confused approach as the election approaches is anyones guess, but as it stands both the Conservatives and Lib Dems at least have a somewhat clear messages and Labour lacks that.

 

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Originally posted by chris123

After the referendum all parties should have allowed their MP's a free vote on matters Brexit.

Do you live in Cornwall

 


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deleted user Flag 12 Nov 19 9.19pm

Originally posted by Midlands Eagle

I don't know how the Lib Dem's battle bus will affect the voting as I think that "Jo Swinson's Liberal Democrats" in huge letters on the side would put me off as it makes them sound like a rock band - Jeff Lynne's ELO perhaps

Haha, yes it does sound rather egotistical too. She's living a rock and roll lifestyle apparently. Keep a look out for groupies climbing aboard the lib dem love bus!

 

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