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chris123 hove actually 13 Nov 19 5.50pm
Originally posted by Bill E Pilgrim To be fair the Tories have been in power for most of those two generations. But they are able to reinvent themselves each time they swop leader and blame problems caused by their failures on some scapegoat or other. The fact is Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson is a liar who cannot be trusted on anything. In 1988 he was sacked from the Times for making up a quote in a front-page story He lied about laying in front of a bulldozer to stop Heathrow expansion. He lied when figurehead of the 2016 Vote Leave campaign, saying the UK sent the EU Ł350million a week. He lied to the DPU about not letting there be a border down the Irish Sea Nothing he says can be trusted at all. [Link] And won London twice.
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chris123

hove actually 13 Nov 19 5.50pm

Originally posted by Bill E Pilgrim

To be fair the Tories have been in power for most of those two generations. But they are able to reinvent themselves each time they swop leader and blame problems caused by their failures on some scapegoat or other.

The fact is Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson is a liar who cannot be trusted on anything.
In 1988 he was sacked from the Times for making up a quote in a front-page story
He lied about laying in front of a bulldozer to stop Heathrow expansion.
He lied when figurehead of the 2016 Vote Leave campaign, saying the UK sent the EU Ł350million a week.
He lied to the DPU about not letting there be a border down the Irish Sea

Nothing he says can be trusted at all.

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And won London twice.

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Deleted11 13 Nov 19 6.00pm
Originally posted by chris123 And won London twice. Not to pick on you, but, this is the problem right? We seem to view politics as a match of football, where we support a team no matter what. Boris did win London twice, but what did he actually do? Not just him, I'm not sure I can actually name a thing of note any London Mayor has done. This is why I try not to read newspapers and watch things like Question Time, because there's never any in depth discussion on the matters and because papers like The Sun were Labour through and through and now they're full on Conservative. The Mirror is the reverse. How can you honestly switch your views so drastically? I've seen a better attempt in forums like this one, although not always successfully, to try and discuss issues.
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Deleted11 13 Nov 19 6.00pm

Originally posted by chris123

And won London twice.

Not to pick on you, but, this is the problem right?

We seem to view politics as a match of football, where we support a team no matter what.

Boris did win London twice, but what did he actually do? Not just him, I'm not sure I can actually name a thing of note any London Mayor has done.

This is why I try not to read newspapers and watch things like Question Time, because there's never any in depth discussion on the matters and because papers like The Sun were Labour through and through and now they're full on Conservative. The Mirror is the reverse. How can you honestly switch your views so drastically? I've seen a better attempt in forums like this one, although not always successfully, to try and discuss issues.

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silvertop Portishead 13 Nov 19 7.10pm
Originally posted by Jway89 Not to pick on you, but, this is the problem right? We seem to view politics as a match of football, where we support a team no matter what. Boris did win London twice, but what did he actually do? Not just him, I'm not sure I can actually name a thing of note any London Mayor has done. This is why I try not to read newspapers and watch things like Question Time, because there's never any in depth discussion on the matters and because papers like The Sun were Labour through and through and now they're full on Conservative. The Mirror is the reverse. How can you honestly switch your views so drastically? I've seen a better attempt in forums like this one, although not always successfully, to try and discuss issues. Can't believe I'm supporting that filthy rag but switching allegiance could be viewed in a positive light if they shift to reflect changing values of the 2 main parties.
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Portishead 13 Nov 19 7.10pm

Originally posted by Jway89

Not to pick on you, but, this is the problem right?

We seem to view politics as a match of football, where we support a team no matter what.

Boris did win London twice, but what did he actually do? Not just him, I'm not sure I can actually name a thing of note any London Mayor has done.

Can't believe I'm supporting that filthy rag but switching allegiance could be viewed in a positive light if they shift to reflect changing values of the 2 main parties.

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Badger11 Beckenham 13 Nov 19 7.34pm
Originally posted by Jway89 Not to pick on you, but, this is the problem right? We seem to view politics as a match of football, where we support a team no matter what. Boris did win London twice, but what did he actually do? Not just him, I'm not sure I can actually name a thing of note any London Mayor has done. This is why I try not to read newspapers and watch things like Question Time, because there's never any in depth discussion on the matters and because papers like The Sun were Labour through and through and now they're full on Conservative. The Mirror is the reverse. How can you honestly switch your views so drastically? I've seen a better attempt in forums like this one, although not always successfully, to try and discuss issues. Actually the Sun was always a Tory rag. Tony Blair spent a lot of time smoozing Murdoch and was very happy when he switched to supporting New Labour. I guess the Sun has gone back to its natural roots. Daily Mirror has never changed solid Labour all the way. Why did the Sun change, self interest Murdoch could see that Blair was going to win and he always wants to be on the winning side. One more point
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Beckenham 13 Nov 19 7.34pm

Originally posted by Jway89

Not to pick on you, but, this is the problem right?

We seem to view politics as a match of football, where we support a team no matter what.

Boris did win London twice, but what did he actually do? Not just him, I'm not sure I can actually name a thing of note any London Mayor has done.

This is why I try not to read newspapers and watch things like Question Time, because there's never any in depth discussion on the matters and because papers like The Sun were Labour through and through and now they're full on Conservative. The Mirror is the reverse. How can you honestly switch your views so drastically? I've seen a better attempt in forums like this one, although not always successfully, to try and discuss issues.

Actually the Sun was always a Tory rag. Tony Blair spent a lot of time smoozing Murdoch and was very happy when he switched to supporting New Labour. I guess the Sun has gone back to its natural roots.

Daily Mirror has never changed solid Labour all the way.

Why did the Sun change, self interest Murdoch could see that Blair was going to win and he always wants to be on the winning side.

One more point

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chris123 hove actually 13 Nov 19 7.34pm
Originally posted by Jway89 Not to pick on you, but, this is the problem right? We seem to view politics as a match of football, where we support a team no matter what. Boris did win London twice, but what did he actually do? Not just him, I'm not sure I can actually name a thing of note any London Mayor has done. This is why I try not to read newspapers and watch things like Question Time, because there's never any in depth discussion on the matters and because papers like The Sun were Labour through and through and now they're full on Conservative. The Mirror is the reverse. How can you honestly switch your views so drastically? I've seen a better attempt in forums like this one, although not always successfully, to try and discuss issues. Boris 2 - Ken Livingstone 0.
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chris123

hove actually 13 Nov 19 7.34pm

Originally posted by Jway89

Not to pick on you, but, this is the problem right?

We seem to view politics as a match of football, where we support a team no matter what.

Boris did win London twice, but what did he actually do? Not just him, I'm not sure I can actually name a thing of note any London Mayor has done.

Boris 2 - Ken Livingstone 0.

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dannyboy1978 13 Nov 19 8.00pm
We need to vote this council out. They want to build 40.000 homes in croydon!!! [Link]
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13 Nov 19 8.00pm

We need to vote this council out.
They want to build 40.000 homes in croydon!!!

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Badger11 Beckenham 13 Nov 19 8.07pm
Originally posted by dannyboy1978 We need to vote this council out. They want to build 40.000 homes in croydon!!! [Link] 40,000 new council tax receipts gosh I wonder which way the council will vote. One more point
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Badger11

Beckenham 13 Nov 19 8.07pm

Originally posted by dannyboy1978

We need to vote this council out.
They want to build 40.000 homes in croydon!!!

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40,000 new council tax receipts gosh I wonder which way the council will vote.

One more point

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Bill E Pilgrim New Addington 13 Nov 19 10.19pm
Originally posted by chris123 Boris 2 - Ken Livingstone 0. "...because there's never any in depth discussion on the matters" Jway98 1 Chris 123 0
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New Addington 13 Nov 19 10.19pm

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Originally posted by chris123

Boris 2 - Ken Livingstone 0.

"...because there's never any in depth discussion on the matters"

Jway98 1 Chris 123 0

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Bill E Pilgrim New Addington 13 Nov 19 10.30pm
Originally posted by Badger11 Actually the Sun was always a Tory rag. Tony Blair spent a lot of time smoozing Murdoch and was very happy when he switched to supporting New Labour. I guess the Sun has gone back to its natural roots. Daily Mirror has never changed solid Labour all the way. Why did the Sun change, self interest Murdoch could see that Blair was going to win and he always wants to be on the winning side. The Sun was previously the Daily Herald when it was a paper that gave the working class a voice in the media. Nowadays it pretends to be for the working class while supporting policies that shaft them. We are all working longer hour and getting pensions later, the NHS is slowly and secretly being sold off, Unions are undermined so working people have no representation. Meanwhile billionaires dodge paying tax and fund parties and own the media that keep it that way.
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Bill E Pilgrim

New Addington 13 Nov 19 10.30pm

Originally posted by Badger11

Daily Mirror has never changed solid Labour all the way.

Why did the Sun change, self interest Murdoch could see that Blair was going to win and he always wants to be on the winning side.

The Sun was previously the Daily Herald when it was a paper that gave the working class a voice in the media.
Nowadays it pretends to be for the working class while supporting policies that shaft them. We are all working longer hour and getting pensions later, the NHS is slowly and secretly being sold off, Unions are undermined so working people have no representation. Meanwhile billionaires dodge paying tax and fund parties and own the media that keep it that way.

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Deleted11 13 Nov 19 10.30pm
Originally posted by Bill E Pilgrim "...because there's never any in depth discussion on the matters" Jway98 1 Chris 123 0 I did say they weren't always successful
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Deleted11 13 Nov 19 10.30pm

Originally posted by Bill E Pilgrim

"...because there's never any in depth discussion on the matters"

Jway98 1 Chris 123 0

I did say they weren't always successful

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Bill E Pilgrim New Addington 13 Nov 19 10.41pm
Originally posted by chris123 And won London twice. And wasted Ł940m on mayoral 'vanity projects' Garden Bridge Ł52m New Routemaster Ł321.6m Emirates Air Line Ł24m Water cannon Ł323,000 Hire bikes Ł225m Estuary airport Ł5.2m Olympic stadium conversion Ł305.5m ArcelorMittal Orbit Ł6.1m Three of these were a total failure at a cost of more than Ł57.5m: the Garden Bridge; the purchase of water cannon; and the Thames estuary airport. Five others: the new Routemaster bus; hire bikes; the Emirates Air Line cable car; the conversion of the Olympic stadium and the ArcelorMittal Orbit helter-skelter, all went ahead at a combined cost of more than Ł900m. But they all turned out to be far more expensive than promised - just as BREXIT will damage us more than he says.
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New Addington 13 Nov 19 10.41pm

Originally posted by chris123

And won London twice.

And wasted Ł940m on mayoral 'vanity projects'

Garden Bridge Ł52m
New Routemaster Ł321.6m
Emirates Air Line Ł24m
Water cannon Ł323,000
Hire bikes Ł225m
Estuary airport Ł5.2m
Olympic stadium conversion Ł305.5m
ArcelorMittal Orbit Ł6.1m

Three of these were a total failure at a cost of more than Ł57.5m: the Garden Bridge; the purchase of water cannon; and the Thames estuary airport.

Five others: the new Routemaster bus; hire bikes; the Emirates Air Line cable car; the conversion of the Olympic stadium and the ArcelorMittal Orbit helter-skelter, all went ahead at a combined cost of more than Ł900m. But they all turned out to be far more expensive than promised - just as BREXIT will damage us more than he says.

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cryrst The garden of England 13 Nov 19 10.53pm
Originally posted by Bill E Pilgrim The Sun was previously the Daily Herald when it was a paper that gave the working class a voice in the media. Nowadays it pretends to be for the working class while supporting policies that shaft them. We are all working longer hour and getting pensions later, the NHS is slowly and secretly being sold off, Unions are undermined so working people have no representation. Meanwhile billionaires dodge paying tax and fund parties and own the media that keep it that way. Judge. Have you considered that we are being forced to live longer so being more of a burden on the services and the state. There is an obvious link between health and pension age extension. The same link between us living longer and NHS usage. Also all these billionaires and the top 1% actually Pay 25% of tax take. Irrelevant what % of what they earn is payed it is still an absolute huge amount. If labour get in power they will raise tax for the top 5% of earners. That will be from around 75k upwards. When the very highest earners give it the middle finger labour will slowly scratch another 1% down then another 1% down. Before long 40k will have a tax increase. Then pensions then home owners. Socialism wants equality. The only people who will be unaffected are the feckless and work shy.
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The garden of England 13 Nov 19 10.53pm

Originally posted by Bill E Pilgrim

Judge.
Have you considered that we are being forced to live longer so being more of a burden on the services and the state.
There is an obvious link between health and pension age extension.
The same link between us living longer and NHS usage.
Also all these billionaires and the top 1% actually
Pay 25% of tax take.
Irrelevant what % of what they earn is payed it is still an absolute huge amount.
If labour get in power they will raise tax for the top 5% of earners.
That will be from around 75k upwards.
When the very highest earners give it the middle finger labour will slowly scratch another 1% down then another 1% down.
Before long 40k will have a tax increase.
Then pensions then home owners.
Socialism wants equality.
The only people who will be unaffected are the feckless and work shy.

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