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Originally posted by Rudi Hedman

Your offspring or their offspring will give in or get no say. We get no say already. Too late now, as you know. The 2 worlds have collided.

When the English are a minority in their own lands, like the Jews and many others I doubt my descendants will be sticking around.

The mess the do gooders are making can be left to them and their gated and higher house priced communities....and even that won't work long term anyway.

Edited by Stirlingsays (26 Nov 2019 1.25pm)

 


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Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Our Jewish population has gone down significantly while our Islamic population has gone significantly up.

Edited by Stirlingsays (26 Nov 2019 11.26am)

From a cynical electoral POV, then the Muslim vote is worth far more than the Jewish one. Much larger numbers and with a cultural background that means it can be wielded in a more direct bloc in terms of stacking up the votes when it matters.

Rather ironic in someways as by any logical definition the Muslim vote should be the one most at odds with 90% of what the Left preach but a lot of mileage in promising easier 'family reunification'.

But I suspect it will bite Labour on the arse sooner rather than later. You would have thought that the grooming scandals would have taught it a lesson but I suspect that it will be the Carousel Fraud Dragon waiting in the wings that will burn the bridges.

It is one thing to turn a blind eye to the decades long absue of poor white trash from the lowest rungs of society who are wield zero real political power but when you have acquiesced in the whole scale looting of BILLIONS of pounds from the taxman, a whole new ball game. But we will see.

 


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Originally posted by Matov

From a cynical electoral POV, then the Muslim vote is worth far more than the Jewish one. Much larger numbers and with a cultural background that means it can be wielded in a more direct bloc in terms of stacking up the votes when it matters.

Rather ironic in someways as by any logical definition the Muslim vote should be the one most at odds with 90% of what the Left preach but a lot of mileage in promising easier 'family reunification'.

But I suspect it will bite Labour on the arse sooner rather than later. You would have thought that the grooming scandals would have taught it a lesson but I suspect that it will be the Carousel Fraud Dragon waiting in the wings that will burn the bridges.

It is one thing to turn a blind eye to the decades long absue of poor white trash from the lowest rungs of society who are wield zero real political power but when you have acquiesced in the whole scale looting of BILLIONS of pounds from the taxman, a whole new ball game. But we will see.

I'd agree with much of your commentary. I'd add that the Jewish vote is also mainly left in Europe....for reasons we can probably guess at.....However, I consider the trade off between these two communities as incomparable.

Jews are economically in a different league. Despite how they majority vote I think its staggering to ignore simple realities.....It's like a football team....You are letting your star players go and replacing them with league one standard.

 


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California, Florida, Berkshire or Truro. Add 2 more and roll the dice.

 


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Don't vote, farage sold out, all other parties are a sham. Down with 'Democracy', monarchy was better.

 


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Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Jews are economically in a different league. Despite how they majority vote I think its staggering to ignore simple realities.....It's like a football team....You are letting your star players go and replacing them with league one standard.

But real political power, whilst requiring funding, still requires votes. Corbyn and co have no intention of relinquishing power once it has been achieved. They need votes and the Muslim vote is a real force to be reckoned with for a variety of reasons, not least the ability for it to be wielded en-masse.

The Jewish population in the UK is amongst the most assimilated there is, with its own internal divisions also far sharper than popular opinion would have it. It simply cannot be considered a specific electoral bloc.

Muslim 'Community Leaders' and the Labour Political apparatus they are currently working with both have their own separate agendas but it is going to end in tears. Labour have shown not only a willingness to turn a blind eye to huge criminal conspiracies with Muslim communities (and those specifically within the pakistani origin segments) but actively seek to scupper investigations. Devil is in the detail and you don't have to delve far to find plenty of evidence of files being destroyed and careers of people who wanted to expose the grooming scandals being curtailed. Now I am no Tommy Robinson fan and have my serious doubts about what his aims are but his treatment over the supposed 'contempt of court', shows how deep this collusion within our establishment goes.

But this defrauding of our VAT system for billions? That is being covered up at the moment but cannot carry on forever. And then the backlash hits. And it will dwarf the grooming scandals.

Then we find how out how closely wedded Labour are to the Muslim vote.

 


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The greatest irony is that this Corbyn Labour Party has been rejected by Jewish interests, the Jews being the very people who probably influenced most, post war, Left wing policy on race and religious issues and the Right wing bad mantra.

For those of us who have warned against the scourge identity politics, it is a double edged sword. It is hilarious to see Labour being the victim of an environment that it helped create, but at the same time, it is depressing to see how much minority interests and identity are already playing a part in British politics.

The Labour response? An initiative on race and faith and accuse the Tories of 'Islamophobia'.

'God' help us.


 

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Originally posted by Matov

But real political power, whilst requiring funding, still requires votes. Corbyn and co have no intention of relinquishing power once it has been achieved. They need votes and the Muslim vote is a real force to be reckoned with for a variety of reasons, not least the ability for it to be wielded en-masse.

The Jewish population in the UK is amongst the most assimilated there is, with its own internal divisions also far sharper than popular opinion would have it. It simply cannot be considered a specific electoral bloc.

Muslim 'Community Leaders' and the Labour Political apparatus they are currently working with both have their own separate agendas but it is going to end in tears. Labour have shown not only a willingness to turn a blind eye to huge criminal conspiracies with Muslim communities (and those specifically within the pakistani origin segments) but actively seek to scupper investigations. Devil is in the detail and you don't have to delve far to find plenty of evidence of files being destroyed and careers of people who wanted to expose the grooming scandals being curtailed. Now I am no Tommy Robinson fan and have my serious doubts about what his aims are but his treatment over the supposed 'contempt of court', shows how deep this collusion within our establishment goes.

But this defrauding of our VAT system for billions? That is being covered up at the moment but cannot carry on forever. And then the backlash hits. And it will dwarf the grooming scandals.

Then we find how out how closely wedded Labour are to the Muslim vote.

What’s this defrauding of our VAT system for billions?

 


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Originally posted by SpyroCrystal

Don't vote, farage sold out, all other parties are a sham. Down with 'Democracy', monarchy was better.

I'm reminded of the Roman general Scipio crying at the complete destruction of Cartage at the realisation that all cities and nations (and so Rome) will ultimately meet their doom....as that is the nature of man.

It doesn't matter what the structure is....democracy, monarchy it all gets torn down eventually.

What you won't fight for, you will lose......and what you will fight for...will eventually be lost by descendants who grow fearful of fighting.

Not that I think it worthless to fight the dying of the light, as for all we can influence is within a brief timescale.....Better to shape what you can rather than to meekly go into the light.

Human nature is there to teach us all.


Edited by Stirlingsays (26 Nov 2019 2.17pm)

 


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Disagree man Democracy has allowed is the best system for the 'powers that be' to create a world that they like best... it is truly a fake and dangerous system. It creates a class of people which are reflected and defend it to the death and keeps people in a state of illusion. Just look at England now compared to before. It is also being forced onto Africa and is a joke system.

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

I'm reminded of the Roman general Scipio crying at the complete destruction of Cartage at the realisation that all cities and nations (and so Rome) will ultimately meet their doom....as that is the nature of man.

It doesn't matter what the structure is....democracy, monarchy it all gets torn down eventually.

What you won't fight for, you will lose......and what you will fight for...will eventually be lost by descendants who grow fearful of fighting.

Not that I think it worthless to fight the dying of the light, as for all we can influence is within a brief timescale.....Better to shape what you can rather than to meekly go into the light.

Human nature is there to teach us all.


Edited by Stirlingsays (26 Nov 2019 2.17pm)

 


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Originally posted by Matov

The Jewish population in the UK is amongst the most assimilated there is, with its own internal divisions also far sharper than popular opinion would have it. It simply cannot be considered a specific electoral bloc.


You wrote an excellent post and on this point I'd agree with you on assimilation (up to a point). I view Jews as a positive.

However, they are a majority voting block for the left....it's just statistically true and has been true since the world wars.

Though we all know of right wing Jewish figures and....indeed, they are even...rather comically, to be found on the far or dissident right.

Edited by Stirlingsays (26 Nov 2019 2.26pm)

 


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Originally posted by SpyroCrystal

Disagree man Democracy has allowed is the best system for the 'powers that be' to create a world that they like best... it is truly a fake and dangerous system. It creates a class of people which are reflected and defend it to the death and keeps people in a state of illusion. Just look at England now compared to before. It is also being forced onto Africa and is a joke system.

Yep, I'd agree with the long term criticism if Democracy. I was just saying that Democracy or this form of it, like all systems, will itself eventually fall and be replaced.

I was making a wider philosophical point.

 


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