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View davenotamonkey's Profile davenotamonkey Flag 06 Dec 19 12.49am Send a Private Message to davenotamonkey Add davenotamonkey as a friend

Watch. Them. Squirm.

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Originally posted by davenotamonkey

Watch. Them. Squirm.

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Yeah, it's a bit painful because the Labour Party thinks of itself a certain way and those holding the signs buy into it.

I've seen lefty activists do this the opposite way around.....so I will say that these edited 'gotchas' can be a bit unfair as it isn't dealing with the better brains.

That said, if what that guy was saying is accurate then it's pretty spicy......What's very clear is that Corbyn never thought he'd lead the Labour party.

 


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View Badger11's Profile Badger11 Flag Beckenham 06 Dec 19 7.57am Send a Private Message to Badger11 Add Badger11 as a friend

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Yeah, it's a bit painful because the Labour Party thinks of itself a certain way and those holding the signs buy into it.

I've seen lefty activists do this the opposite way around.....so I will say that these edited 'gotchas' can be a bit unfair as it isn't dealing with the better brains.

That said, if what that guy was saying is accurate then it's pretty spicy......What's very clear is that Corbyn never thought he'd lead the Labour party.

Very funny classic ambush I'm sure that The Labour party could find a Boris quote and tell Tories Corbyn said it.

There is a valid point though, Labour sees racism everywhere except in its own party. 70 plus Labour officials have given written statements to the Uman Rights commission it's not one disgruntled employee.

I fully expect the commission report when it arrives to damn Labour unequivocally but by then with any luck Corbyn will be gone.

 


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View Midlands Eagle's Profile Midlands Eagle Flag 06 Dec 19 8.03am Send a Private Message to Midlands Eagle Add Midlands Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Badger11

Labour sees racism everywhere except in its own party. 70 plus Labour officials have given written statements to the Uman Rights commission it's not one disgruntled employee.

I fully expect the commission report when it arrives to damn Labour unequivocally but by then with any luck Corbyn will be gone.

I was listening to a senior Jewish bloke on the radio a couple of weeks ago and he was saying that the problem isn't with the Labour Party but with it's leadership so things should improve in a couple of weeks time after Corbyn has resigned

 

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View Badger11's Profile Badger11 Flag Beckenham 06 Dec 19 8.30am Send a Private Message to Badger11 Add Badger11 as a friend

Originally posted by Midlands Eagle

I was listening to a senior Jewish bloke on the radio a couple of weeks ago and he was saying that the problem isn't with the Labour Party but with it's leadership so things should improve in a couple of weeks time after Corbyn has resigned

I hope your are correct although it appears that Corbyn is building a power base if not for him but his chosen successor. The moderates in the Labour party have a fight on their hands worse than when Kinnock fought off the Militant tendency. Momentum are embedded and not going anywhere.

Let's hope I am wrong we need a moderate centre left Labour party to keep the Tories honest.

 


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View berlinpalace's Profile berlinpalace Flag berlin 06 Dec 19 12.31pm Send a Private Message to berlinpalace Add berlinpalace as a friend

Originally posted by Badger11

I hope your are correct although it appears that Corbyn is building a power base if not for him but his chosen successor. The moderates in the Labour party have a fight on their hands worse than when Kinnock fought off the Militant tendency. Momentum are embedded and not going anywhere.

Let's hope I am wrong we need a moderate centre left Labour party to keep the Tories honest.

‘...keep the Tories honest,’
Hahahaha! With Johnson in charge, hahahahaha....forever.

 

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View dynamicdick's Profile dynamicdick Flag Dormansland 06 Dec 19 1.12pm Send a Private Message to dynamicdick Add dynamicdick as a friend

Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow

Genuine question; how does one become so loyal to a party that they will defend the party line, without question or challenge, on any issue across the board? I’ve never come close to feeling like that.

Do you not disagree with the Tories on anything? Do you have to pretend Boris is honest and trustworthy to justify voting for them?

This an excellent point...my way of thinking is that whatever may be wrong with the Tories offering and there are a few; Boris's lack of attention to detail being one, is still a drop in the Ocean compared to what a Corbyn Marxist Government would bring. It's by no means Tory perfect but the alternative is I must say frightening.

 


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View SW19 CPFC's Profile SW19 CPFC Flag Addiscombe West 06 Dec 19 1.18pm Send a Private Message to SW19 CPFC Add SW19 CPFC as a friend

Originally posted by Rudi Hedman

Specifically what is unlikely? That it’ll get used where it’s needed? What if it gets used where it’s not needed or ends up being used to pay a growing debt bill?

I don’t disagree with you btw. As soon as I could without being short at the end of the month I donated to Action Aid because those kids really have nothing. I’m just curious if it does go where it’s needed, or a lot of it wasted.

Britain had to go through austerity in 2010, even the Lib Dem’s saw it had to. Since then in the last few years more spending should have happened, but to Corbyn’s levels brings back all those concerns that became reality even at the end of Bliar and Brown’s successful economic period, even if it was during historically low interest rates rippling over from the USA after 9/11.

Eventually you’ll get your wish. Maybe in 5,10,15,20 years, and possibly not taxed a little more but a lot lot more. Will produce a tut and an eye roll.

Re. Unlikely – yes.

Re. NGOs and corporate charities, I avoid them like the plague. I donate monthly to an independent, local homeless organisation who has been going since 1976 (the 70s, ha). Croydon Night Watch. Volunteer run. Ever since reading the book 'War Games' which I highly recommend, I've taken a dim view of any NGO, or any large corporate charity organisation. I'd rather put my money back into the area I'm in to help support the local community.

Re. Austerity, the jury is still out on whether the extreme level of cutbacks were needed. Not that none were needed, but the depth and breadth, plus those that it targeted is questionable.

As for my 'wish' – I have no wish really, in relation to this. Just pointing out that Pure Socialism being implemented in this country is near impossible. Socialism lite is probably as close as you'll get. Along with the fact that as a higher rate taxpayer I see no issue with paying more tax, within reason. And the plans floating about in my opinion are within reason. Millionaires whine about it but put it this way, you've been getting away with avoidance and tax rates that are lower than they should be for years. That can only continue for so long.

Finally, all the scaremongering around hyper tax – there is a threshold where it becomes economically damaging, a balance will always have to be struck. Labour will not cut their nose off to spite their own face, otherwise they will be out of power quick sharp. It's not a dictatorship that will last for 50 years.

Edited by SW19 CPFC (06 Dec 2019 1.19pm)

 


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View dynamicdick's Profile dynamicdick Flag Dormansland 06 Dec 19 1.18pm Send a Private Message to dynamicdick Add dynamicdick as a friend

Originally posted by Badger11

I hope your are correct although it appears that Corbyn is building a power base if not for him but his chosen successor. The moderates in the Labour party have a fight on their hands worse than when Kinnock fought off the Militant tendency. Momentum are embedded and not going anywhere.

Let's hope I am wrong we need a moderate centre left Labour party to keep the Tories honest.

If this time round there was a centre Labour party such as when Blair was leader we could be seeing a Labour win. I remember speaking to a friend right after he was elected first time and without being asked she said that she normally voted Tory but felt that it was right for a change. This is how some people vote. Thing is you have to look beyond that and think what will change bring. Charlton fans forced a change with Curbishley as they wanted to go in a different direction...the rest is History as they say!!

 


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View dynamicdick's Profile dynamicdick Flag Dormansland 06 Dec 19 1.28pm Send a Private Message to dynamicdick Add dynamicdick as a friend

Originally posted by SW19 CPFC

Re. Unlikely – yes.

Re. NGOs and corporate charities, I avoid them like the plague. I donate monthly to an independent, local homeless organisation who has been going since 1976 (the 70s, ha). Croydon Night Watch. Volunteer run. Ever since reading the book 'War Games' which I highly recommend, I've taken a dim view of any NGO, or any large corporate charity organisation. I'd rather put my money back into the area I'm in to help support the local community.

Re. Austerity, the jury is still out on whether the extreme level of cutbacks were needed. Not that none were needed, but the depth and breadth, plus those that it targeted is questionable.

As for my 'wish' – I have no wish really, in relation to this. Just pointing out that Pure Socialism being implemented in this country is near impossible. Socialism lite is probably as close as you'll get. Along with the fact that as a higher rate taxpayer I see no issue with paying more tax, within reason. And the plans floating about in my opinion are within reason. Millionaires whine about it but put it this way, you've been getting away with avoidance and tax rates that are lower than they should be for years. That can only continue for so long.

Finally, all the scaremongering around hyper tax – there is a threshold where it becomes economically damaging, a balance will always have to be struck. Labour will not cut their nose off to spite their own face, otherwise they will be out of power quick sharp. It's not a dictatorship that will last for 50 years.

Edited by SW19 CPFC (06 Dec 2019 1.19pm)

Just a moment on austerity...as Rudi said it had to be done but the pain should have been shared by others and in a more privileged position, correct me if I am wrong but didn't the MP's vote themselves a pay rise or two during this period. There were others for sure who should have set an example. Boris has now said that it was wrong. No Boris it was right but it was the balance that was out and you will end it. Saying something like that about the past and with it such an emotive subject to many it directly affected and comes across as simply 'words for votes' but then again he's a Politician and its a General Election. Whereas Corbyn saying that his Government would repay the WASPY £58Bn goes many stages further especially when its not in his manifesto!

 


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Originally posted by berlinpalace

‘...keep the Tories honest,’
Hahahaha! With Johnson in charge, hahahahaha....forever.

He's a Politician of course he is honest!!

 


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Originally posted by berlinpalace

‘...keep the Tories honest,’
Hahahaha! With Johnson in charge, hahahahaha....forever.

Errr...on public spending, which is what matters.....I believe the Labour manifesto was costed at £73 billion and the Tories at £2.9 billion.

And that was before McDonald's pension commitment....which was what, 58 billion extra.

So when it comes to lies that matter....it's off the scale.

 


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