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View DanH's Profile DanH Flag SW2 10 Dec 19 2.21pm Send a Private Message to DanH Add DanH as a friend

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

I'd also speculate that the far left have higher instances of mental health problems....not that I have any evidence to hand....purely anecdotal.

That's one hell of a 'speculation' with no evidence.

 

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Originally posted by Rudi Hedman

As Stirling has said, where is the nurse(s) that PLACED a child on the floor. I’m saying why is/was this the ONLY person, A CHILD, on the floor/photographed? If there is a problem in the hospital there would be more people, on the floor, in photos, probably by the parent that took this one, but no, nothing, just this photo, nothing else, no other cases whatsoever. Hmmmm.

Salient points.

Hancock went to visit the hospital soon after the story broke and surprise surprise there were Labour activists there to film and abuse him.

Having been a secondary school teacher for quite a few years I have experienced the rife politicalisation of public services and I'll tell you it's not a professional state of affairs and only leads to more division where it shouldn't exist.

Also, if you become known as a 'conservative' voice you eventually suffer for it within that 'group think' environment and management.....something that didn't happen in the past with left wing voices.

Edited by Stirlingsays (10 Dec 2019 2.36pm)

 


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Originally posted by DanH

That's one hell of a 'speculation' with no evidence.

Well yeah, kind of like I said.

 


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Originally posted by berlinpalace

You can wriggle as much you like but they were a nationalist racist party right from the start, the antisemitism is explicit from the beginning. They threw in a few socialist policies because they were useful for attracting large numbers of people who might have sided with the communists otherwise. In fact if you swap the antisemitism for Islamophobia you pretty much have the EDL/Fat Lads Alliance.

I'm sure you are on the BBS. Can't remember your username but many of the Lefty loons on there who tell us how Britain should be run live elsewhere.

 

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View Stirlingsays's Profile Stirlingsays Flag 10 Dec 19 2.32pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by berlinpalace

You can wriggle as much you like but they were a nationalist racist party right from the start, the antisemitism is explicit from the beginning. They threw in a few socialist policies because they were useful for attracting large numbers of people who might have sided with the communists otherwise. In fact if you swap the antisemitism for Islamophobia you pretty much have the EDL/Fat Lads Alliance.

I wasn't aware I was wiggling but rather just stating what happened while you are echoing speculation of intent.

If the Nazis hadn't believed in those policies then they wouldn't have implemented them. They didn't have to as they had banned democracy and no one could have done anything about it.

The 'final solution' was an attempt at genocide for Jews in Europe and other German controlled areas so antisemitism seems like almost an inadequate term.

I think comparisons with the modern western era suffers from a lack of reality.

Edited by Stirlingsays (10 Dec 2019 2.33pm)

 


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View EverybodyDannsNow's Profile EverybodyDannsNow Flag SE19 10 Dec 19 3.12pm Send a Private Message to EverybodyDannsNow Add EverybodyDannsNow as a friend

Originally posted by Midlands Eagle

Perhaps Mr DannsNow might like to remind themselves of what the NHS was like under his beloved Labour Government so here's an article from The Telegraph in May 2008 under the heading "NHS hospitals lose 32,000 beds in a decade"

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For those that don't want to follow the link here are some extracts:-


The cutbacks mean increasing numbers of hospitals are going on "black alert" – which involves closing their doors to new patients because they are full.

Patients' groups described the loss of the beds, at a time when overcrowded wards have seen soaring rates of killer infections, as "a national scandal".

The reduction contradicts a pledge from Tony Blair at the turn of the century that there would be 7,000 more NHS beds by 2010. New figures, seen by The Telegraph, show that the number of health service beds fell more than 8,000 last year, as the NHS began a reorganisation process which will mean the closure of dozens of hospitals.

More than 40 per cent of maternity units turned away women in labour last year because they had no room.

Meanwhile, ambulances have been forced to queue outside overstretched hospitals, treating patients in car parks just yards from accident and emergency departments. The new statistics, revealed in response to a parliamentary question by Ed Vaizey, the Conservative MP, show that almost 32,000 NHS hospital beds went between 1997, when Labour took office, and 2007.

Where have you got that from? Opposition to Tories does not equal love for Labour - whatabouttery at its finest, which is all you seem to do on here.

 

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Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow

whatabouttery at its finest, which is all you seem to do on here.

Oh dear. That's called the "I'd better chuck some s*** around" defence as I've got nothing more concrete to say

 

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Originally posted by Stirlingsays

I wasn't aware I was wiggling but rather just stating what happened while you are echoing speculation of intent.

If the Nazis hadn't believed in those policies then they wouldn't have implemented them. They didn't have to as they had banned democracy and no one could have done anything about it.

The 'final solution' was an attempt at genocide for Jews in Europe and other German controlled areas so antisemitism seems like almost an inadequate term.

I think comparisons with the modern western era suffers from a lack of reality.

Edited by Stirlingsays (10 Dec 2019 2.33pm)

You do understand that for the first few years of their existence they were just one small nationalist party among many. They used socialist policies at the start to try to entice people away from Socialist parties. They kept some because even racists like to feel good about helping their fellow racists. It’s not that hard to follow. It’s pretty much what a lot of you on here are expecting the Tories to do, ‘prove’ you’re a native born brit (as long as you’re not from a single parent family) before you get any chance to contribute and benefit from the UK.
I can see why you don’t want to see it, it afflicts a lot of the harder right.
I suspect your little proto-fascist wet dream may come to pass and on a superficial level you’ll be happy. Whatever.

 

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View EverybodyDannsNow's Profile EverybodyDannsNow Flag SE19 10 Dec 19 4.54pm Send a Private Message to EverybodyDannsNow Add EverybodyDannsNow as a friend

Originally posted by Midlands Eagle

Oh dear. That's called the "I'd better chuck some s*** around" defence as I've got nothing more concrete to say

Bizarre take from someone who is quite literally chucking s*** at labour as you have no defence of the party you support.

Right from the Boris playbook in real life.

 

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Originally posted by berlinpalace

You do understand that for the first few years of their existence they were just one small nationalist party among many. They used socialist policies at the start to try to entice people away from Socialist parties. They kept some because even racists like to feel good about helping their fellow racists. It’s not that hard to follow. It’s pretty much what a lot of you on here are expecting the Tories to do, ‘prove’ you’re a native born brit (as long as you’re not from a single parent family) before you get any chance to contribute and benefit from the UK.
I can see why you don’t want to see it, it afflicts a lot of the harder right.
I suspect your little proto-fascist wet dream may come to pass and on a superficial level you’ll be happy. Whatever.

I think I am a little bit in love with you.

The National Socialist Party were very much what it said on the label. Socialist approaches to capital whilst framing that within a nationalistic ethos. Lots of state control but without the universal approach of classical Marxism.

Now you could argue that when Hitler clamped down on the Brownshirts he did so by way of assuaging the fears of big business/capital because that element of his political movement was aghast at the direction he was taking once actually in office in terms of not implementing a variety of proposed socialist policies. Perhaps at that stage the notion of the NSAP no longer being socialist in the classical sense could be assumed but prior to that, and in terms of how Hitler garnered electoral success, then it was very much on the back of a variety of policies that would be far more in line with Corbynism than anything the Tories are in favour of.

And lets not even go down the road of discussing Mussolini and his rise to power.


 


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Originally posted by berlinpalace

You do understand that for the first few years of their existence they were just one small nationalist party among many. They used socialist policies at the start to try to entice people away from Socialist parties. They kept some because even racists like to feel good about helping their fellow racists. It’s not that hard to follow. It’s pretty much what a lot of you on here are expecting the Tories to do, ‘prove’ you’re a native born brit (as long as you’re not from a single parent family) before you get any chance to contribute and benefit from the UK.
I can see why you don’t want to see it, it afflicts a lot of the harder right.
I suspect your little proto-fascist wet dream may come to pass and on a superficial level you’ll be happy. Whatever.

Blimey.....You don't really know what you're talking about....mind you that was pretty evident at the start of the conversation.

You just appear to be on here to slag off the right like some bitter grump.

 


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Originally posted by Matov

I think I am a little bit in love with you.

The National Socialist Party were very much what it said on the label. Socialist approaches to capital whilst framing that within a nationalistic ethos. Lots of state control but without the universal approach of classical Marxism.

Now you could argue that when Hitler clamped down on the Brownshirts he did so by way of assuaging the fears of big business/capital because that element of his political movement was aghast at the direction he was taking once actually in office in terms of not implementing a variety of proposed socialist policies. Perhaps at that stage the notion of the NSAP no longer being socialist in the classical sense could be assumed but prior to that, and in terms of how Hitler garnered electoral success, then it was very much on the back of a variety of policies that would be far more in line with Corbynism than anything the Tories are in favour of.

And lets not even go down the road of discussing Mussolini and his rise to power.

Excellent analysis.

 


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