But it is the leadership that matters. There are enough Momentum types now in the Labour party to ensure that a Progressive candidate is always nominated and the membership will vote for them.

As it stands you get, at best, a Corbyn lite. Who will no doubt proclaim themselves as fully 'Rejoin'.

Now I have no issue with anybody who wants us to rejoin the EU once we have left. A perfectly legitimate political aspiration to hold but does it get Labour back the seats it needs?

I suspect not.

So the Left has to split. I am sure it would co-operate in Parliament but the Labour party in its current format is simply not fit for purpose. Cannot see any future for it. If Labour want to regain the Blythe Valley and hold on to Putney which it needs to do if it is to get back into Government, it lacks the ability to conjure up a leader who can appeal to both.

"The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.

With no renationalising of British industry being the, proverbial only, spanner in the Islington dinner party works.

COYP

Who knows? To be fair, we have not left yet so I guess it is a bit early to speculate on the specifics but I cannot imagine there not being a Rejoin movement. And quite rightly so. That is a valid ambition.

I suspect it will be a few years, possibly decades, before it gains any real traction so what form or conditions our rejoining might take but if memberhship of the Euro is a cast-iron conditional then it is not going to happen.

I always said that if Remain had won then the UK should join up with not only the Euro but also become members of the Shengan agreement and so on. One of my objections to the EU is that it is neither one thing or the other. And if we were to remain in the EU then taking charge would have been essential.

Always believed there are strong arguments for a federalised Europe and the notion of one single political and economic entity that stretches from the beaches of Portugal to the West to the borders of China (including Russia in it would be immense) in the East, and the Artic circle in the North down to the Greek Islands in the Agean is an incredible vision and with the right leadership and ethos, perhaps the greatest global super-power ever.

But nobody has the courage to make that. C'est la vie.

"The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.

Interesting point. Makes you wonder why the EU wants us as a member if we arent willing to fully participate.

With that in mind the EU is probably better of with us not a part of it, but having a close relationship with them.

However, in all the dealings I've had with the EC or the EU, they are mostly a self serving organisation. They want to make themselves bigger, not because it's the right system of governance for the people that they represent, but because the bigger organisation is, the more power they have, and the more money they get.

I suspect ££££ is main reason they wanted us to stay, but that doesn't work if your goals dont match.

It's already started on election night they were queuing up to throw him under the bus "Our policies are popular it's Brexit and Corbyn".

So far none of the potential candidates stand out as leadership material they just espouse the same views as Corbyn. Sill I am not the target audience but i am very much afraid that Labour will listen to it's self and not to the voters.

The Momentum leader kept saying our policies are good we need to improve our message and convince the voters. That's like saying it's okay folks the Titanic is safe we got new deckchairs.

One more point

Why in the hell didn't Corbyn resign right away? Completely step down?

Miliband resigned immediately after losing. Most leaders do. Why not Corbyn?

I personally hope it's because he wants to install a Corbynite successor. Someone like Wrong-Daily - that would be comedy. The longer Momentum maintains it's grip on Labour, the longer it remains utterly unelectable.

It will be a miracle if Labour get a 20% swing at the next election. Unprecedented. Boris has 2 terms, possibly 3 by the time they claw back Friday's swing.

I'm very happy watching Labour eviscerate themselves in the meantime. If it takes 5+ years to purge Labour of these far-left loons, then great. Time for popcorn.