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Originally posted by Jamesey

Flip me. I’m an old man and thought I’d seen everything.

Morons protesting against a legal election result is new one.

Whatever next?

"Two things are infinite. The universe and human stupidity.

And I'm not sure about the universe."

Albert Einstein

 


Systematically dragged down by the lawmakers

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Didnt really explain it as well as I should have

 

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Originally posted by cryrst

Didnt really explain it as well as I should have

Yes you did. We were just having a bit of light hearted fun

 

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jeeagles Flag 15 Dec 19 8.22pm

Interesting break down of voting patterns in the Times today.

Based on socio-economic group, the Torys won the majority of the vote at every level.

Tory, SNP, Green vote went up by 1%. Lib Dem up by 4%, Labour went down by 8%.

Obviously, 1% increase for The tories represents a lot more votes cast than the SNP and green got.

Seems like the Lib Dem vote also played a big part in splitting the Labour vote, but that isn't shown in the number of seats they won.

It's still proving difficult to drum home to the hard left just how bad this defeat is.


 

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deleted user Flag 15 Dec 19 10.48pm

Originally posted by jeeagles

Interesting break down of voting patterns in the Times today.

Based on socio-economic group, the Torys won the majority of the vote at every level.

Tory, SNP, Green vote went up by 1%. Lib Dem up by 4%, Labour went down by 8%.


It doesn't surprise me. The Tories have gone further left on economics and adopted something akin to economic populism when compared to the past. Whether they deliver on this, who knows but I can see why it would appeal to Labour voters. On the social issues front, womens rights, gay rights, racial fairness are for the most part signed, sealed and delivered both legally and typically with common sense and decency of the British people. We aren't really the US, and so movements that are overly loud within parties in this department now don't resonate. It's really only immigration that is and has been the white hot social issue, and the Lib Dems wanted to ignore that, Labour didn't know what they wanted, and so really only Conservatives had a plan on how to act on the numbers coming in. Hence Brexit. With the NHS and housing issues ever present, people just got fed up with the 'everyone in' approach and when you look at the numbers it's not hard to see why.

That said, we do need to fast track changes to nursing to keep people in the profession and train the next lot coming through. Removing the student nurse bursary was clearly both unfair and counterproductive.

 

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deleted user Flag 16 Dec 19 12.29am

What do people think Boris' new cabinet will look like? And I'm not talking IKEA. There's talk of Rees-Mogg cabinet position being in the balance. Possibly idle gossip though, who knows.

 

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Originally posted by dollardays

On the social issues front, womens rights, gay rights, racial fairness are for the most part signed, sealed and delivered both legally and typically with common sense and decency of the British people.

I utterly disagree with the view and how its phrased and consider this an insult to previous generations and indeed the many social conservatives who reside in the country within which are also gays and women and non whites.

'Sense and decency', what an insult.

I sincerely hope for some of these developments to be reversed.

 


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deleted user Flag 16 Dec 19 1.29am

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

I utterly disagree with the view and how its phrased and consider this an insult to previous generations and indeed the many social conservatives who reside in the country within which are also gays and women and non whites.

'Sense and decency', what an insult.

I sincerely hope for some of these developments to be reversed.

Perhaps you haven't adsorbed the wider meaning of a post geared towards the benefits of clamping down on immigration and why it's perfectly understandable for people to feel that way.

It is certainly though, as I say sensible and decent not to be needlessly racist, or sexist or anti gay in life. It's an insult to no-one of any generation to state that, and includes people being sexist towards men and so on, as frequently occurs of course.

The central point of my post, again, is that there is no gain to be had for labour or lib dems with the same niche identity approach that's used in the US, because it doesn't play well here with the masses. Hence no political gain. Despite the emotions near election time, in day to day life most people just tend to just get on with things in a less dramatic way. And my point was that in terms of 'rights' angle the political parties might cheerlead, these rights are already there anyway and so there is both no mileage to be gained in that dept and also no particular appetite from parties to go over old ground. Done deals. Something's not automatically an insult just because you or others don't happen to agree with it. I could very well say that what you said was an insult. Where exactly does that get us?


What developments are you hoping get reversed? It might help if you explain.


Edited by dollardays (16 Dec 2019 1.59am)

 

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Originally posted by dollardays

Perhaps you haven't adsorbed the wider meaning of a post geared towards the benefits of clamping down on immigration and why it's perfectly understandable for people to feel that way.

I would have thought that it was rather obvious in the way I had edited your post that I removed which I had little issue with to focus upon what I considered a quite appalling, if probably unintended insult.

Originally posted by dollardays

It is certainly though, as I say sensible and decent not to be needlessly racist, or sexist or anti gay in life. It's an insult to no-one of any generation to state that, and includes people being sexist towards men and so on, as frequently occurs of course.

You add, 'needlessly' which is of course entirely subjective.

It most definitely is an insult as you are suggesting that these generations were living in societies that were all these things......something I contest.

Originally posted by dollardays

The central point of my post, again, is that there is no gain to be had for labour or lib dems with the same niche identity approach that's used in the US, because it doesn't play well here with the masses. Hence no political gain. Despite the emotions near election time, in day to day life most people just tend to just get on with things in a less dramatic way. And my point was that in terms of 'rights' angle the political parties might cheerlead, these rights are already there anyway and so there is both no mileage to be gained in that dept and also no particular appetite from parties to go over old ground. Done deals. Something's not automatically an insult just because you or others don't happen to agree with it. I could very well say that what you said was an insult. Where exactly does that get us?

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Of course there is political gain. Don't you see who the London major is? Want to look into a breakdown of his votes and which communities voted for him compared to how they voted for previous majors?

Look at the same realities for areas where the demographics are minority based and you will see the same.

Labour are investing in the growing demographic and with their growing band of white liberals and indoctrination within public schools and various sections of the media they hope to eventually over turn the grey vote.

They are just playing their hand 10-15 years before the demographics can start to seriously support them.


Originally posted by dollardays

What developments are you hoping get reversed? It might help if you explain.

Edited by dollardays (16 Dec 2019 1.59am)

I can't think of a law passed in any of these areas in the last twenty years that I could support......I supported the civil partnership law only to find that we were lied to and that it indeed was the slippery slope that some warned about at the time.

Now we have drag queens in libraries showing children how to twerk and 'homosexuality acceptance' being taught to primary school children.

That the result of your so called 'sense' and your so called 'decency'.


Edited by Stirlingsays (16 Dec 2019 2.32am)

 


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deleted user Flag 16 Dec 19 2.41am

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

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Edited by Stirlingsays (16 Dec 2019 2.18am)

Are having a grumpy night or something? So now what I've said is an appalling insult? Come off it. I don't particularly think that many people reading my contributions on this very page will think that the points of that post was meant as an appalling insult to anyone at all.


You must occupy a strange space where you've extracted outrage from me saying that people fairly is a sign of common sense and decency, and yet on the other hand, as we know from previously, describing your gay family members as living 'lifestyles you don't like', or calling gay people 'fags' isn't. Yeah, very fair minded and decent that. A real respectful tone. Learn entry level consideration of others and for your own before you start up your outrage machine or knit picking over others tone.

Quote Of course there is political gain. Don't you see who the London major is? Want to look into a breakdown of his votes and which communities voted for him compared to how they voted for previous majors?

I'm saying that nationally it does not work as an election winning policy. Then of course you might branch into demographics. As stated and was the point of my post, Brexit gives us options there with numbers coming in.

I'm not sure why you've struggled so hard to search for disagreement over a couple of lines of a post. Chill out. You're more Richard Spencer, I'm more Snoop Dogg, it's all good babaaay. I'm actually excited for the next five years. I'm perfectly happy with the changes I feel that Brexit might have and the autonomy it brings with regard to immigration controls and the like and with trading opportunities. I don't think most are caught up on social issues, which was my point if you bother to read. You are in deep, lost even on racial issues. That's for you. Don't drag me into it.

Bring it down a level. You've completely gone out of your to annoy and look for an argument over nothing.


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Originally posted by dollardays

Are having a grumpy night or something? So now what I've said is an appalling insult? Come off it. I don't particularly think that many people reading my contributions on this very page will think that the points of that post was meant as an appalling insult to anyone at all.

Well, by implication you were saying that past generations weren't sensible and weren't decent. I regard that as appalling and it betrays your mindset.

As I said, I'm sure it wasn't an intended insult but there you go

Originally posted by dollardays

You must occupy a strange space where you've extracted outrage from me saying that people fairly is a sign of common sense and decency, and yet on the other hand, as we know from previously, describing your gay family members as living 'lifestyles you don't like', or calling gay people 'fags' isn't. Yeah, very fair minded and decent that. A real respectful tone. Learn entry level consideration of others and for your own before you start up your outrage machine or knit picking over others tone.

I've asked you once before to not talk about my family. Here you do it again. Shall I start talking about you and your brother....Would that be alright? No, not really.

Besides you don't know what you are talking about. As for calling gays 'fags', it was a joke intended to upset people like you. A context you omit.

I've read your views. I know that you 'think' you are fair minded and it's true that you are generally quite considerate. That said, you can add a huge pile of self righteousness onto that....mostly misplaced, in my view.

Your worldview amounts to the same crap results and downgrades that society is experiencing and no amount of 'respect' makes up for your mistaken 'takes'.

Originally posted by dollardays

I'm saying that nationally it does not work as an election winning policy. Then of course you might branch into demographics. As stated and was the point of my post, Brexit gives us options there with numbers coming in.

Yet.

Brexit can suppress immigration but it's not going to place it in reverse is it......So with the numbers here already births and birthrates mean that Labour's strategy will end up paying off....just like the Democrats in the US know it'll pay off.

Originally posted by dollardays

I'm not sure why you've struggled so hard to search for disagreement over a couple of lines of a post. Chill out. You're more Richard Spencer, I'm more Snoop Dogg, it's all good babaaay. I'm actually excited for the next five years. I'm perfectly happy with the changes I feel that Brexit might have and the autonomy it brings with regard to immigration controls and the like and with trading opportunities. I don't think most are caught up on social issues, which was my point if you bother to read. You are in deep, lost even on racial issues. That's for you. Don't drag me into it.

Bring it down a level. You've completely gone out of your to annoy and look for an argument over nothing.


Edited by dollardays (16 Dec 2019 2.57am)

I thought about letting it pass but the 'sense and decency' aspect was particularly galling. Especially as I remember people from those past generations where these laws didn't exist.

They were sensible and they were decent and social liberalism wasn't required for them to be so.

And we didn't have drag queens in libraries twerking at children.

Edited by Stirlingsays (16 Dec 2019 3.23am)

 


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deleted user Flag 16 Dec 19 3.52am

Quote
I know that you 'think' you are fair minded and it's true that you are generally quite considerate. That said, you can add a huge pile of self righteousness onto that....mostly misplaced, in my view.

Says the hyper critical narcissist

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I've asked you once before to not talk about my family. Here you do it again. Shall I start talking about you and your brother....Would that be alright? No, not really.

Besides you don't know what you are talking about. As for calling gays 'fags', it was a joke intended to upset people like you. A context you omit.

It was relevant as is your mistreatment. If you're going to angrily fixate over a couple of lines about how its decent to treat people a certain way as an 'appalling insult' I will highlight that you would think that, since you yourself have the habit of behaving towards said people in a cruel and substandard way yourself. You're more angry at people being treated with kindness and decency than treating them as inferior. Even in your own family it seems. Well done.

And as you like context, fine. Yes I said on here about how my brother was terribly bullied for being gay? So yes I'll defend my family. Give it a go yourself sometime mr allegiance. In the weeks after that, if anyone wants to search, on multiple occasions you put the word 'fag' in replies to me clearly looking for a rise. So yeah, no wonder you mention him again. Want to give him a bit of what you give your own do you? Taking out that council estate angst you mentioned on whatever minority you can find are you?

Listen, you latched onto a post which is LITERALLY ABOUT the futility of political parties on the left pushing the identity politics angle, and of saying that emotion around mass immigration is completely understandable and that cutting numbers will be a good thing, to isolate a very particular part that you feel wasn't even intended as an insult anyway, to repeatedly tell me what a terrible insult I've made to past generations, people with certain political groups and so on. It's APPALING apparently. Well pass that hanky.

You're obviously in a mood and out looking for an argument. It was contrivied and over nothing, and as you're hardly someone who demonstrates a standard to others worth emulating to begin with, kindly bother someone else.


 

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