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View Bill E Pilgrim's Profile Bill E Pilgrim Flag New Addington 13 Nov 19 1.16pm Send a Private Message to Bill E Pilgrim Add Bill E Pilgrim as a friend

Originally posted by Jimenez

They haven't looked after the likes of us for close to two generations. They are an absolute laughing stock!!

To be fair the Tories have been in power for most of those two generations. But they are able to reinvent themselves each time they swop leader and blame problems caused by their failures on some scapegoat or other.

The fact is Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson is a liar who cannot be trusted on anything.
In 1988 he was sacked from the Times for making up a quote in a front-page story
He lied about laying in front of a bulldozer to stop Heathrow expansion.
He lied when figurehead of the 2016 Vote Leave campaign, saying the UK sent the EU £350million a week.
He lied to the DPU about not letting there be a border down the Irish Sea

Nothing he says can be trusted at all.

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View SW19 CPFC's Profile SW19 CPFC Flag Addiscombe West 13 Nov 19 1.34pm Send a Private Message to SW19 CPFC Add SW19 CPFC as a friend

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

You seem really familiar 'Bill'.

Your leader is a terrorist-supporting, flood victim exploiting Marxist scumbag who is hated by a good chunk of his own party.

How bad can Boris look?

Pretty bad. Bad enough to make people who refuse to acknowledge his obvious flaws because of partisan priorities pretty stupid.

I do wish people would just say – 'Yes, fair point, he is a prick, but he's the best worst option in my opinion so that's why I'm voting for him. And yes, that does mean that I'm endorsing a prick. So be it.'

And of course – I hate Marxists / People who can't do up their tie properly etc. etc. etc.

 


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View Stirlingsays's Profile Stirlingsays Flag 13 Nov 19 1.38pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by Bill E Pilgrim

To be fair the Tories have been in power for most of those two generations. But they are able to reinvent themselves each time they swop leader and blame problems caused by their failures on some scapegoat or other.

The fact is Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson is a liar who cannot be trusted on anything.
In 1988 he was sacked from the Times for making up a quote in a front-page story
He lied about laying in front of a bulldozer to stop Heathrow expansion.
He lied when figurehead of the 2016 Vote Leave campaign, saying the UK sent the EU £350million a week.
He lied to the DPU about not letting there be a border down the Irish Sea

Nothing he says can be trusted at all.

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Yeah, but he has a surprisingly impressive singing voice.

 


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Originally posted by Bill E Pilgrim

To be fair the Tories have been in power for most of those two generations. But they are able to reinvent themselves each time they swop leader and blame problems caused by their failures on some scapegoat or other.

The fact is Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson is a liar who cannot be trusted on anything.
In 1988 he was sacked from the Times for making up a quote in a front-page story
He lied about laying in front of a bulldozer to stop Heathrow expansion.
He lied when figurehead of the 2016 Vote Leave campaign, saying the UK sent the EU £350million a week.
He lied to the DPU about not letting there be a border down the Irish Sea

Nothing he says can be trusted at all.

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This all sounds very Nick Gussett to me.

Next you will be asking me for one example of Corbyn lying.

I really can't be bothered to engage with such a purposefully infantile view of politics.

 

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View SW19 CPFC's Profile SW19 CPFC Flag Addiscombe West 13 Nov 19 1.50pm Send a Private Message to SW19 CPFC Add SW19 CPFC as a friend

Originally posted by dollardays

I tend to agree. It'll surely mean that the Conservatives will hold onto all existing seats, and have more success in the Labour marginals. It's worth noting that plenty of disenfranchised Labour voters who would never consider voting Conservative will happily vote Brexit Party. So with that in mind, Labour capaculate votes in all directions.

The only real reply to this would be for Lib Dems and Labour to form some kind of pact, but they're not really on the same page so I can't see it happening.

Labour are screwed. As many have pointed out, there is no clear message. Even if they suddenly all aligned, the bumbling of the last two years will have made it too late. Also, average people need simple, clear messages to repeat ad nauseam to all their friends (and internal monologues), not because they know what they're voting for but because it sounds good and it's easy to remember. Patronising? You bet. See any successful advertising campaign ever. Your average 95%er does not read beyond the headline, let alone investigate and drill down into the detail.

The remain protest vote will leech from the tories to the lib dems in the south/south east, likely to happen in Cheltenham according to an interesting article in the FT. Johnson is concentrating on northern seats leaving most metropolitan areas to Labour, barring a few exceptions where the lead is very slim.

The point around some abandoning labour for the brexit party is probably spot on – can't bring themselves to vote tory so would rather protest. Fair enough. Labour will get smashed but I think the lib dem and brexit party vote will draw enough votes away to make getting a majority a real challenge.

What happens beyond then – If Labour actually bother to get their act together it could become more interesting over the next few years. Can't see trade talks going smoothly, and their spending plans are already on extremely sandy ground.

 


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Originally posted by SW19 CPFC

Pretty bad. Bad enough to make people who refuse to acknowledge his obvious flaws because of partisan priorities pretty stupid.

I do wish people would just say – 'Yes, fair point, he is a prick, but he's the best worst option in my opinion so that's why I'm voting for him. And yes, that does mean that I'm endorsing a prick. So be it.'

And of course – I hate Marxists / People who can't do up their tie properly etc. etc. etc.

All things are relative but I would happily vote for a tin of spam over Corbyn.

 

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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

All things are relative but I would happily vote for a tin of spam over Corbyn.

Fair enough.

 


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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

All things are relative but I would happily vote for a tin of spam over Corbyn.

It would certainly cost us less.

Mind you I'd imagine its domestic policies would definitely annoy the Greens.

Edited by Stirlingsays (13 Nov 2019 2.02pm)

 


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Deleted11 13 Nov 19 2.03pm

It is a very strange situation.

Farage not running to 'support' his party's cause.

No Deal being the only way to get out of the EU, but then people being p'd off with Nigel when he basically tells everyone that the deal is tosh, always from a distance, mind.

The Tories do really have a knack for making themselves votable, I'll give them that.

The Labour party offering, what in a normal year would be seen as some type of opposition with a middle ground approach.

The Lib Dems converted into the complete opposition to Brexit, which, basically keeps Jo and Nige in jobs for life. Will never be elected, but will polarise people into the in/out crowd.

If the Tories win, which is quite likely and we have a 2008 style recession, what is to stop the Lib Dems saying it's Brexit's fault and holding a referendum to stay in?

This is a massive problem, because being in or out of the EU isn't really like a normal election. At some point, if we are out, the EU will say, if you want to be in, then no referendums ever again.

 

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Originally posted by Stirlingsays

It would certainly cost us less.

Mind you I'd imagine its domestic policies would definitely annoy the Greens.

Edited by Stirlingsays (13 Nov 2019 2.02pm)

Wait till they hear it has appointed a beef sandwich as Chancellor.

 

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Originally posted by SW19 CPFC

Labour are screwed. As many have pointed out, there is no clear message. Even if they suddenly all aligned, the bumbling of the last two years will have made it too late. Also, average people need simple, clear messages to repeat ad nauseam to all their friends (and internal monologues), not because they know what they're voting for but because it sounds good and it's easy to remember. Patronising? You bet. See any successful advertising campaign ever. Your average 95%er does not read beyond the headline, let alone investigate and drill down into the detail.

The remain protest vote will leech from the tories to the lib dems in the south/south east, likely to happen in Cheltenham according to an interesting article in the FT. Johnson is concentrating on northern seats leaving most metropolitan areas to Labour, barring a few exceptions where the lead is very slim.

The point around some abandoning labour for the brexit party is probably spot on – can't bring themselves to vote tory so would rather protest. Fair enough. Labour will get smashed but I think the lib dem and brexit party vote will draw enough votes away to make getting a majority a real challenge.

What happens beyond then – If Labour actually bother to get their act together it could become more interesting over the next few years. Can't see trade talks going smoothly, and their spending plans are already on extremely sandy ground.

Yes, in my view Corbyn has a stranglehold on the party. I'm not saying he doesn't have any worthwhile ideas, but politically you'd struggle to find a less popular party leader. Without him I think they'd possibly hold a position on Brexit that at least had a element of consistency to it.

It's a good point to say that there are enough factors at play to say that gaining a majority isn't a formality for the Tories. It's not an unlikely scenario either though by any stretch, whereas the very best scenario for Labour would likely be a hung parliament, and that would put us in even more of a political no man's land that the previous election did.

 

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View Cucking Funt's Profile Cucking Funt Flag Clapham on the Back 13 Nov 19 2.11pm Send a Private Message to Cucking Funt Add Cucking Funt as a friend

For the Tories to get an overall majority, they're going to have to pick up seats from other parties, and in some numbers, whilst holding on to their own, quite a few of which might be called vulnerable.

Can anybody see this happening? Because I can't.

 


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