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View Badger11's Profile Badger11 Flag Beckenham 14 Nov 19 10.17am Send a Private Message to Badger11 Add Badger11 as a friend

Originally posted by Midlands Eagle

Then they will all naff off to foreign climes just like they did in the seventies when Labour thought that could tax people until the pips squeaked with some people expected to pay 98%

That's why London has the sixth biggest French population you would have thought Labour would have cottoned onto that. Rich people can afford to leave.

 


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View Stirlingsays's Profile Stirlingsays Flag 14 Nov 19 10.22am Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by Badger11

Does anyone know how many other democratic western countries allow non citizens full voting rights?

Most allow voting for local councils, the dog catcher etc. but I would be surprised if many allow votes in National elections?

It's shameful gerrymandering if we are going to play that game then the Tories should bring back the extra business vote.

The policy is literally anti British.....well, lots of them are.

 


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View chris123's Profile chris123 Flag hove actually 14 Nov 19 10.28am Send a Private Message to chris123 Add chris123 as a friend

Originally posted by Badger11

Does anyone know how many other democratic western countries allow non citizens full voting rights?

Most allow voting for local councils, the dog catcher etc. but I would be surprised if many allow votes in National elections?

It's shameful gerrymandering if we are going to play that game then the Tories should bring back the extra business vote.

Our system that allows British, Irish and Commonwealth citizens to vote in everything - and other EU citizens can't vote in a General Election, but can vote in local and EU elections. I think most EU countries allow the same in EU elections.

 

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Deleted11 14 Nov 19 11.11am

Originally posted by cryrst

Judge.
Have you considered that we are being forced to live longer so being more of a burden on the services and the state.

Who is forcing us? I am really interested in your solution for this one.

There is an obvious link between health and pension age extension.
The same link between us living longer and NHS usage.

Also all these billionaires and the top 1% actually
Pay 25% of tax take.

Because they have all the money. That's like putting me and Richard Branson together and telling me not to complain, because on average I'm a billionaire.

Irrelevant what % of what they earn is payed it is still an absolute huge amount.

The old 'it doesn't matter what % of tax they pay' doozy. I have all my pay taxed at source, yet, I pay for travel, substance, employee a cleaner and gardener and pay for my extra study materials to improve myself at my profession as well a go to lectures in and around England. None of it tax deductible.

I could start my own company, but my employer wouldn't hire me, so I'm stuck.


If labour get in power they will raise tax for the top 5% of earners.
That will be from around 75k upwards.

Mentioned already and it's £80k. I'd love to do a survey on this site and see how many are on £80k+. Again, worst case scenario, if you're on £149k, you'll pay around an extra £3.5k a year, unless you want to contribute it to your pension scheme.


When the very highest earners give it the middle finger labour will slowly scratch another 1% down then another 1% down.

They most probably will. I would tax 100% of wealth trying to leave the country. Where are they going to go?

Before long 40k will have a tax increase.
Then pensions then home owners.

Again, i'd be interested to know how many people in this country earn over £40k and have their own house.

Socialism wants equality.
The only people who will be unaffected are the feckless and work shy.

What socialism wants, in this country, is irrelevant. This has always been the argument that socialism kills so many more people than capitalism and we should be worried about it. Causation does not always equal correlation. Show me a country with a dictator and I will show you millions of dead bodies. Show me a country with a decent democracy and I will show you less. The UK is pretty socialist as it is.

 

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View Badger11's Profile Badger11 Flag Beckenham 14 Nov 19 12.39pm Send a Private Message to Badger11 Add Badger11 as a friend

Originally posted by chris123

Our system that allows British, Irish and Commonwealth citizens to vote in everything - and other EU citizens can't vote in a General Election, but can vote in local and EU elections. I think most EU countries allow the same in EU elections.

That's my understanding as well so if it is not the norm across the EU to allow UK citizens to vote in their national elections why would we allow it here?

 


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deleted user Flag 14 Nov 19 12.49pm

Voting intention by class

Middle class:
Conservative 38%
Labour 29%
Lib Dem 19%
SNP 4%
Green 4%
Brexit Party 3%

Working class:
Conservative 47%
Labour 27%
Lib Dem 9%#BrexitParty 5%
SNP 3%
Green 3%

YouGov/Sky/The Times 11-12 Nov#GE2019


One of the more interesting polls late.

 

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View Badger11's Profile Badger11 Flag Beckenham 14 Nov 19 12.59pm Send a Private Message to Badger11 Add Badger11 as a friend

Originally posted by dollardays

Voting intention by class

Middle class:
Conservative 38%
Labour 29%
Lib Dem 19%
SNP 4%
Green 4%
Brexit Party 3%

Working class:
Conservative 47%
Labour 27%
Lib Dem 9%#BrexitParty 5%
SNP 3%
Green 3%

YouGov/Sky/The Times 11-12 Nov#GE2019


One of the more interesting polls late.

I think the Brexit party are fading fast so Boris may have made the right call to ignore them.

 


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View Badger11's Profile Badger11 Flag Beckenham 15 Nov 19 12.11am Send a Private Message to Badger11 Add Badger11 as a friend

Labour now offering free broadband by nationalising part of BT I presume they mean Openreach.

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Assuming that they will compensate BT that will cost billions which would be better spent on the infrastructure rather than the shareholders.

Also I am not sure that this is the right move. 5G offers the real possibility of doing away with landlines fibre or coaxial and should be a cheaper solution for the countryside.

It's an attractive vote winner but I think it's a poison chalice, this may mean Labour investing in fibre optic when 5G wireless is the way to go. Not to mention the Starlight project from Elon Musk which if it works will deliver the internet from satellites to every part of the world, he just launched 60 of them.

Labour maybe backing the wrong horse. BT are not outraged by the suggestion, do they suspect that their technology will be worthless in a few years?

 


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Tomorrow I'm expecting Labour to offer free 'happy endings' for all male Labour voters and free shoes for all female voters.

 


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deleted user Flag 15 Nov 19 7.19am

Originally posted by Badger11

Labour now offering free broadband by nationalising part of BT I presume they mean Openreach.

[Link]

Assuming that they will compensate BT that will cost billions which would be better spent on the infrastructure rather than the shareholders.

Also I am not sure that this is the right move. 5G offers the real possibility of doing away with landlines fibre or coaxial and should be a cheaper solution for the countryside.

It's an attractive vote winner but I think it's a poison chalice, this may mean Labour investing in fibre optic when 5G wireless is the way to go. Not to mention the Starlight project from Elon Musk which if it works will deliver the internet from satellites to every part of the world, he just launched 60 of them.

Labour maybe backing the wrong horse. BT are not outraged by the suggestion, do they suspect that their technology will be worthless in a few years?

I tend to agree that the policy is a bit silly. It's certainly like a headline grabber but one that people will laugh at rather than take seriously.

On top of that, you have to wonder what free broadband would mean for the jobs of people working at the countless other broadband companies out there. As you say too, this is a fast moving area. In the next few years more of more of us will be moving away from phone lines, and broadband connections and towards 5G options and mobile only households. Even if this policy had merits it's come years too late anyway.

I'm all for all parties thinking outside of the box - for instance I don't immediately dismiss the ethos of the four day work week plan. I can really see the merits of that if done right even, but this free broadband idea doesn't seem well thought out in my view.

 

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Originally posted by Badger11

Labour maybe backing the wrong horse. BT are not outraged by the suggestion,

Perhaps not but I bet that Virgin Media and Talk Talk are

 

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View sickboy's Profile sickboy Flag Deal or Croydon 15 Nov 19 7.44am Send a Private Message to sickboy Add sickboy as a friend

Received a whatsapp yesterday on how to explain the labour party to children.

Get your child to clean the bathroom amd pay them £10.
Then take £7 back off them, and, give it to next doors kid for doing f*** all.

 

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