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View Stirlingsays's Profile Stirlingsays Flag 13 Nov 19 7.53am Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by the.universal

No one was asked if they wanted the benefits of globalisation either, but we got them. Things/Travel/Food are way, way cheaper than they’ve ever been, due to cheap labour both overseas and through more recent immigrants being prepared to do jobs for lower pay than settled UK-ers.

I agree the referendum was a lot about immigration. If we lost that cheaper labour, wages will go up for some lower paid workers, but costs and taxes will go up too. You can’t have your cake and eat if.

I'm not sure how cheaper labour helps the common pleb like me.....people who wanted to travel still travelled in the past and I think talking about foreign 'food' as a benefit is a bit of a meme.....but that would still happen anyway.

Globalisation has happened all over the world and as it's been said many times first world countries like Japan simply rejected the permanent migration part of it.

It's not true that this was inevitable, it was a political decision.

The Japanese have a good standard of living.....They aren't giving over their living spaces to foreign cultures, fleeing their own cities and seeing their traditional customs erode and disappear.

Edited by Stirlingsays (13 Nov 2019 7.59am)

 


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Originally posted by Stirlingsays

I'm not sure how cheaper labour helps the common pleb like me.

Besides globalisation has happened all over the world and as it's been said many times first world countries like Japan simply rejected the migration part of it.

It's not true that this was inevitable, it was a political decision.

The Japanese have a good standard of living.....They aren't giving over their living spaces to foreign cultures, fleeing their own cities and seeing their traditional customs erode and disappear.

Edited by Stirlingsays (13 Nov 2019 7.53am)

Not sure comparing us with the Japanese works that well. Yes, both Island nations but they have always been rather insular whereas the UK has traded, and colonised, globally.

Just take a look at the Anglosphere. And the dominance of the English language. It is perhaps the cause and driving force of globalisation.

Japan exploits globalisation for its exports whilst attempting to maintain its hegemony by effectively keeping its borders secure. Not sure it is a sustainable model in the long term, given its birth rate and whilst you can argue they are investing in technology to counter that, the truth is that humans are social animals. Who thrive when they are breeding. Japan might still be 99% cruel, heathen and yellow in a hundred years but they will also be lonely old souls.

 


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Originally posted by Matov

Not sure comparing us with the Japanese works that well. Yes, both Island nations but they have always been rather insular whereas the UK has traded, and colonised, globally.

Japan isn't insular on trade in the very least and is rather unfortunately infamous on colonization.

Originally posted by Matov

Just take a look at the Anglosphere. And the dominance of the English language. It is perhaps the cause and driving force of globalisation.


Spanish is the widest spoken language in the world. We had spread our language long before we opened our gates.

Opening up your country to migration is a political decision not an inevitability.

Originally posted by Matov

Japan exploits globalisation for its exports whilst attempting to maintain its hegemony by effectively keeping its borders secure. Not sure it is a sustainable model in the long term, given its birth rate and whilst you can argue they are investing in technology to counter that, the truth is that humans are social animals. Who thrive when they are breeding. Japan might still be 99% cruel, heathen and yellow in a hundred years but they will also be lonely old souls.


You honestly answered the birth aspect yourself......As for your point about thriving and being social animals....come on Matov. Lonely? The English are fleeing their own cities. This country is one of the most crowded first world countries in the world....twice as crowded as Germany and three times as crowded as France.....Lonely..eh...some chance of that.

Edited by Stirlingsays (13 Nov 2019 8.24am)

 


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Originally posted by NEILLO

Diversity seems to be something of a one way street in my opinion.

I know of a junior school where they have stopped celebrating or acknowledging Christmas, but pull all the stops out for Diwali.

My contract was prematurely ended at a major bank when working with three colleagues of Indian descent. No satisfactory reason given and I later found out they had replaced me with one of their relatives.

I had a job interview earlier this year in which the CEO proudly proclaimed that the cultural fit was as important as the experience that a candidate had, if not more so. So in other words, he was only hiring one type of person -not especially diverse is it !


To be fair Neil, I did tell you to just be yourself at that interview and that by blacking up and wearing a frock it wasn't a shoe-in.

 


Living down here does have some advantages. At least you can see them cry.

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Originally posted by Stirlingsays

I'm not sure how cheaper labour helps the common pleb like me....people who wanted to travel still travelled in the past and I think talking about foreign 'food' as a benefit is a bit of a meme.....but that would still happen anyway.

Globalisation has happened all over the world and as it's been said many times first world countries like Japan simply rejected the permanent migration part of it.

It's not true that this was inevitable, it was a political decision.

The Japanese have a good standard of living.....They aren't giving over their living spaces to foreign cultures, fleeing their own cities and seeing their traditional customs erode and disappear.

Edited by Stirlingsays (13 Nov 2019 7.59am)

It helps by making most of what you buy an awful lot cheaper, as you’re paying a (usually) Chinese person to do it, with lower wages. Hence why you can buy a t-shirt for £3 or a pair of shoes for under a tenner. Or a mop for a quid. Things have never been so cheap.

Travel-wise, working class people can now afford regular foreign holidays. This is a recent thing, thanks in part to globalisation.

In terms of food, it has never been so cheap also. Global supply force down prices of end products / ingredients / feed for livestock. Which means you can get a pasty or a double cheeseburger for under a quid. (My favourite!).

 


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View Stirlingsays's Profile Stirlingsays Flag 13 Nov 19 8.48am Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by the.universal

It helps by making most of what you buy an awful lot cheaper, as you’re paying a (usually) Chinese person to do it, with lower wages. Hence why you can buy a t-shirt for £3 or a pair of shoes for under a tenner. Or a mop for a quid. Things have never been so cheap.

You are talking trade deals. That doesn't have to come with a inward requirement for migration at all.....As we are currently seeing and as most countries outside Europe are a testament to.

Originally posted by the.universal

Travel-wise, working class people can now afford regular foreign holidays. This is a recent thing, thanks in part to globalisation.

Again, that doesn't require permanent migration.

Originally posted by the.universal

In terms of food, it has never been so cheap also. Global supply force down prices of end products / ingredients / feed for livestock. Which means you can get a pasty or a double cheeseburger for under a quid. (My favourite!).

I don't know why you think these things are related. Do you think you can't get foreign food in Japan for example? Or that they can't afford their food?

With respect, of these arguments don't stand up to actual real world examples.


Edited by Stirlingsays (13 Nov 2019 8.49am)

 


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Originally posted by Matov

This entire 'not calling it Christmas' trope is hugely over-blown and us Righties have to take a step back from it because the reality is that most Foreigns have no issue with Christmas and enjoy taking part in it all.

My wife works in a very multi cultural hospital and whilst their non Christian nurses enjoy Christmas and all of the razzamatazz that goes with it they are also happy to work on Christmas day (at double time) which allows people like my wife to spend Christmas day with their families

Originally posted by Matov

And before we all get too precious, how many of you actually go to Church over the festivities?

I watch the carol service on the telly. Does that count?

 

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Originally posted by Stirlingsays

You honestly answered the birth aspect yourself......As for your point about thriving and being social animals....come on Matov. Lonely? The English are fleeing their own cities. This country is one of the most crowded first world countries in the world....twice as crowded as Germany and three times as crowded as France.....Lonely..eh...some chance of that.

Edited by Stirlingsays (13 Nov 2019 8.24am)

Crowds are good. That is how humanity thrives. Why so much progress has been made over the last 100 years. But I concede I am a little odd. For me, one of the most encouraging sights I can see is a market just as it comes to the end of its trading day. Rubbish everywhere, rotten produce discarded and generally looking a mess. But a successful day. Plenty of people buying and selling, mingling, arguing. Vibrancy. Life at its fullest.

Then others come along and clear it all up, just in time for the entire show to begin again the following morning.

Beautiful. And if you add some smelly foreigners into the mix then all the better for it. Daft b******s soon start reading the Daily Mail and moaning about the next wave of migrants coming in who are not as hard-working as they are.

 


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Originally posted by Matov

Crowds are good. That is how humanity thrives. Why so much progress has been made over the last 100 years. But I concede I am a little odd. For me, one of the most encouraging sights I can see is a market just as it comes to the end of its trading day. Rubbish everywhere, rotten produce discarded and generally looking a mess. But a successful day. Plenty of people buying and selling, mingling, arguing. Vibrancy. Life at its fullest.

Then others come along and clear it all up, just in time for the entire show to begin again the following morning.

Beautiful. And if you add some smelly foreigners into the mix then all the better for it. Daft b******s soon start reading the Daily Mail and moaning about the next wave of migrants coming in who are not as hard-working as they are.

Mmmmm....You've gone and got yourself a foreign bird haven't you?

 


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Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Mmmmm....You've gone and got yourself a foreign bird haven't you?


LOL. My Mrs is Croatian (although fiercely defines herself as a Yugoslav Communist which is perhaps the biggest contradiction there is) but I have always, despite appearances to the contradictory, been rather cosmopolitan in outlook.

All I have ever asked for is people to be honest about matters. With declining birth-rates amongst the native population then we need the more feckless foreign types to keep on knocking the sprogs out. What I object to is the all encompassing Welfare state which seeks to smother the entrepreneurial zeal that many foreigns bring with them.

Because lets be honest, if somebody is willing to trek half-way accross the world then risk life and limb to make it accross the channel, they must have something a bit special in their make-up that can be a positive.

I refuse to eulogize about how wonderful migration is because it always brings with it stresses and strains and believe passionately in the necessity for people to be able to express opinions and support political parties opposed to the process but ultimately I believe that globalisation is here to stay and that the role of the Right is to shape how that pans out. Let's get the best ones in. If they are willing to risk it all to get here, then they should be given a chance.

Trust me, the average migrant rolling off a dinghy on the south-coast has far more in common in terms of shared values and beliefs with us than the sort of Progressive morons who onastically cheer on their arrival before doing their best to ensure they remain in poverty.

I might not be initially overly keen on them moving in next door to me or marrying into the family (although that looks more and more like the f***ing UN every year) but I salute their resilience and if I can put my own petty prejudices to one side, be willing to give them a chance to stake a claim in this septic Isle of ours.


 


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Originally posted by Matov

LOL. My Mrs is Croatian (although fiercely defines herself as a Yugoslav Communist which is perhaps the biggest contradiction there is) but I have always, despite appearances to the contradictory, been rather cosmopolitan in outlook.

All I have ever asked for is people to be honest about matters. With declining birth-rates amongst the native population then we need the more feckless foreign types to keep on knocking the sprogs out. What I object to is the all encompassing Welfare state which seeks to smother the entrepreneurial zeal that many foreigns bring with them.

Because lets be honest, if somebody is willing to trek half-way accross the world then risk life and limb to make it accross the channel, they must have something a bit special in their make-up that can be a positive.

I refuse to eulogize about how wonderful migration is because it always brings with it stresses and strains and believe passionately in the necessity for people to be able to express opinions and support political parties opposed to the process but ultimately I believe that globalisation is here to stay and that the role of the Right is to shape how that pans out. Let's get the best ones in. If they are willing to risk it all to get here, then they should be given a chance.

Trust me, the average migrant rolling off a dinghy on the south-coast has far more in common in terms of shared values and beliefs with us than the sort of Progressive morons who onastically cheer on their arrival before doing their best to ensure they remain in poverty.

I might not be initially overly keen on them moving in next door to me or marrying into the family (although that looks more and more like the f***ing UN every year) but I salute their resilience and if I can put my own petty prejudices to one side, be willing to give them a chance to stake a claim in this septic Isle of ours.


You're a conservative....I recognise that.

However, when it comes to how integration works.....I think perhaps you're clinging to the myths and lies we were raised with rather than the reality.....Besides, it's not really going to be an issue with a Yugoslav....different cultures integrate depending upon the level of difference.

We have had immigration since WW2. Mass immigration into the country isn't just happening now....it's been on a mass scale for many decades. Your idea that they are going to turn into Daily Mail readers and cockneys not only isn't working....it was never going to.

We were never asked.

Edited by Stirlingsays (13 Nov 2019 10.05am)

 


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Originally posted by Stirlingsays

We have had immigration since WW2. Mass immigration into the country isn't just happening now....it's been on a mass scale for many decades. Your idea that they are going to turn into Daily Mail readers and cockneys not only isn't working....it was never going to.

We were never asked.

Edited by Stirlingsays (13 Nov 2019 10.05am)

Millions of British men died fighting Hitler.

And just after the War, we were told there were 'gaps in the UK labour market'.....thus the UK imported men, men and more men. It started as a trickle in 1946 and has turned into a tsunami of men ( but not women) ever since.

Many of the 1946 ones started relationships with British women. The opinion of the dead British blokes was not sought.

Wouldn't the world be nicer with no dead war veterans and therefore no poppies ?

 


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