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Midlands Eagle 14 Dec 19 7.16am
I don't understand Northern Ireland politics. Why do Catholics vote for Sinn Fein knowing that they won't take their seats in Parliament making their votes wasted votes, Sinn Fein won't take their seats in Parliament, the Stormont devolved government hasn't worked for three years so effectively the Catholic part of this highly sectarian country is unrepresented anywhere.
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14 Dec 19 7.16am

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I don't understand Northern Ireland politics. Why do Catholics vote for Sinn Fein knowing that they won't take their seats in Parliament making their votes wasted votes,

Sinn Fein won't take their seats in Parliament, the Stormont devolved government hasn't worked for three years so effectively the Catholic part of this highly sectarian country is unrepresented anywhere.

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Midlands Eagle 14 Dec 19 7.21am
Originally posted by becky The majority of your fellow citizens obviously did want to exit - that's why Johnson won - and that was after seeing the implications for the last 3 and odd years! Even "remain" constituencies voted Tory which shows the strength of feeling but there will always be Losers (in every sense of the word) that will not accept the result and we have already had a couple of HOL losers still trying to say that we didn't know what we were voting for
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14 Dec 19 7.21am

Originally posted by becky

The majority of your fellow citizens obviously did want to exit - that's why Johnson won - and that was after seeing the implications for the last 3 and odd years!

Even "remain" constituencies voted Tory which shows the strength of feeling but there will always be Losers (in every sense of the word) that will not accept the result and we have already had a couple of HOL losers still trying to say that we didn't know what we were voting for

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Matov 14 Dec 19 8.24am
Originally posted by Midlands Eagle Even "remain" constituencies voted Tory which shows the strength of feeling but there will always be Losers (in every sense of the word) that will not accept the result and we have already had a couple of HOL losers still trying to say that we didn't know what we were voting for Not accepting results appears to be a plague amongst Leftie types these days. And apparently the smarter ones in our society. This inability to understand percentages says a lot about the failings of our modern education system. "The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.
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Matov

14 Dec 19 8.24am

Originally posted by Midlands Eagle

Not accepting results appears to be a plague amongst Leftie types these days. And apparently the smarter ones in our society. This inability to understand percentages says a lot about the failings of our modern education system.

"The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.

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Hrolf The Ganger 14 Dec 19 9.01am
Poor old Wisbech. The Tories will be in power for a decade at least.
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14 Dec 19 9.01am

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Poor old Wisbech.

The Tories will be in power for a decade at least.

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Stirlingsays 14 Dec 19 9.14am
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger Poor old Wisbech. The Tories will be in power for a decade at least. But what after that? Every year the demographics are moving in favour of the left. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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14 Dec 19 9.14am

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

Poor old Wisbech.

The Tories will be in power for a decade at least.

But what after that? Every year the demographics are moving in favour of the left.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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Midlands Eagle 14 Dec 19 9.18am
Originally posted by Stirlingsays But what after that? Every year the demographics are moving in favour of the left. Surely not. Labour have lost Scotland and will their traditional heartlands return to vote for them if they are doing better under a Tory Government. All they will be left with are the champagne socialists
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Midlands Eagle

14 Dec 19 9.18am

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

But what after that? Every year the demographics are moving in favour of the left.

Surely not. Labour have lost Scotland and will their traditional heartlands return to vote for them if they are doing better under a Tory Government.

All they will be left with are the champagne socialists

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chris123 hove actually 14 Dec 19 9.21am
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger Poor old Wisbech. The Tories will be in power for a decade at least. Consigned to the BBS then.
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hove actually 14 Dec 19 9.21am

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

Poor old Wisbech.

The Tories will be in power for a decade at least.

Consigned to the BBS then.

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Hrolf The Ganger 14 Dec 19 9.27am
Originally posted by Stirlingsays But what after that? Every year the demographics are moving in favour of the left. I did think that but now I'm not so sure. Believing Leftist crap is a symptom of youth while the less capable somehow believe that they can be saved by a socialist government in a quasi religious way. Those that are older and more upwardly mobile tend to vote Tory. I think it's possible that will remain the case despite a change in racial demographics. It also seems like many of the White working class are beginning to see that the Tories might serve them better than London bubble Labour. There are a lot of them. The next election should tell us a lot about that. Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (14 Dec 2019 9.30am)
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Hrolf The Ganger

14 Dec 19 9.27am

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

But what after that? Every year the demographics are moving in favour of the left.

I did think that but now I'm not so sure. Believing Leftist crap is a symptom of youth while the less capable somehow believe that they can be saved by a socialist government in a quasi religious way.
Those that are older and more upwardly mobile tend to vote Tory. I think it's possible that will remain the case despite a change in racial demographics.
It also seems like many of the White working class are beginning to see that the Tories might serve them better than London bubble Labour. There are a lot of them.

The next election should tell us a lot about that.

Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (14 Dec 2019 9.30am)

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Hrolf The Ganger 14 Dec 19 9.32am
Originally posted by chris123 Consigned to the BBS then. I don't care where he goes as long as I don't have to read his self righteous drivel.
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Hrolf The Ganger

14 Dec 19 9.32am

Originally posted by chris123

Consigned to the BBS then.

I don't care where he goes as long as I don't have to read his self righteous drivel.

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Stirlingsays 14 Dec 19 9.40am
Originally posted by Midlands Eagle Surely not. Labour have lost Scotland and will their traditional heartlands return to vote for them if they are doing better under a Tory Government. All they will be left with are the champagne socialists What you've seen is that even with the worst leader imaginable Labour can still get 33 percent of the vote. Still it's a happy time. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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Stirlingsays

14 Dec 19 9.40am

Originally posted by Midlands Eagle

Surely not. Labour have lost Scotland and will their traditional heartlands return to vote for them if they are doing better under a Tory Government.

All they will be left with are the champagne socialists

What you've seen is that even with the worst leader imaginable Labour can still get 33 percent of the vote.

Still it's a happy time.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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Stirlingsays 14 Dec 19 9.41am
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger I don't care where he goes as long as I don't have to read his self righteous drivel. Seconded. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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Stirlingsays

14 Dec 19 9.41am

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

I don't care where he goes as long as I don't have to read his self righteous drivel.

Seconded.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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Hrolf The Ganger 14 Dec 19 10.17am
Originally posted by Stirlingsays What you've seen is that even with the worst leader imaginable Labour can still get 33 percent of the vote. Still it's a happy time. Some people would vote Labour if a dog turd was the leader. There is definitely an age divide that will remain in place but I feel that the immigration issue will be a big part of driving traditional Labour voters over to the Tories. There is no other credible party that represents those concerns with Labour being perceived as Mass immigration friendly.
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Hrolf The Ganger

14 Dec 19 10.17am

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

What you've seen is that even with the worst leader imaginable Labour can still get 33 percent of the vote.

Still it's a happy time.

Some people would vote Labour if a dog turd was the leader. There is definitely an age divide that will remain in place but I feel that the immigration issue will be a big part of driving traditional Labour voters over to the Tories. There is no other credible party that represents those concerns with Labour being perceived as Mass immigration friendly.

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