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View Painter's Profile Painter Flag Croydon 14 Jan 20 9.25am Send a Private Message to Painter Add Painter as a friend

Originally posted by Willo

Hodgson has said that in midfield we are "Blessed in that department" and have "Strength of numbers" so what may one ask was the rationale for signing Camarasa who clearly never fitted into our system ?

After signing Camarasa,Rakip,Jach,Sako,Sorloth etc is it any wonder that supporters are quizzical about our recruitment?

Edited by Willo (13 Jan 2020 6.55pm)

After watching football for many years, you must know that not all signings work out. Often what you get is not what you expected to end up with. We aren’t the only club to make mistakes, an example recently which is quite high profile, Drinkwater went to Chelsea for £40m didn’t work out, now taken on loan to Burnley and still not getting a game. He was a key player in Leicester’s title year, now in a different environment can’t perform.

 

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View Badger11's Profile Badger11 Flag Beckenham 14 Jan 20 9.44am Send a Private Message to Badger11 Add Badger11 as a friend

I trust Roy.

I have no idea what went wrong but from the outside I think we have a solid happy hard working squad and my impression is that Roy expects new players to fit into that ethos. The only one who probably has any latitude is Wilf.

If I was a player I would like to work with a manager that has that ethos, work hard, fit in and play for the team. You know where you stand. If Camarasa wasn't prepared to do that then I think Roy was entitled to bench him.

The question really should be why did we recruit him I would have hoped that someone would have done their homework. There are stories that Ferguson had people following around target players to check on their social life etc. before he signed them, makes sense to me.

Every club signs a dud I don't know if Roy wanted him or he was foisted on him time to move on.

 


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View Badger11's Profile Badger11 Flag Beckenham 14 Jan 20 9.45am Send a Private Message to Badger11 Add Badger11 as a friend

Originally posted by Painter

After watching football for many years, you must know that not all signings work out. Often what you get is not what you expected to end up with. We aren’t the only club to make mistakes, an example recently which is quite high profile, Drinkwater went to Chelsea for £40m didn’t work out, now taken on loan to Burnley and still not getting a game. He was a key player in Leicester’s title year, now in a different environment can’t perform.

And Burnley have ditched him as well he is now at the Villa.

 


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View taylors lovechild's Profile taylors lovechild Flag 14 Jan 20 10.39am Send a Private Message to taylors lovechild Add taylors lovechild as a friend

Originally posted by Badger11

And Burnley have ditched him as well he is now at the Villa.

...and he was responsible for two of Man City's goals on his debut!!

 

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View NEILLO's Profile NEILLO Flag Shoreham-by-Sea 14 Jan 20 10.42am Send a Private Message to NEILLO Add NEILLO as a friend

Originally posted by jeeagles

I totally agree with this.

Reidewald has shown that we have talented players in the squad he just refused to use.

The manager has surely got to have some say on players we sign?!

Some might blame this on Camarasa's bad attitude, this is all just hear say, but if you know you aren't going to get a look in, then why should you bother.

Roy's been around long enough to know how to keep a job. If he doesn't get involved in transfers, then it's one less thing to be accountable for.

Managers don't get involved in transfers though do they ?

They identify positions that they want players for and then it's over to the Director of Football ( in our case Freedman ) to recruit the players.

But go ahead and have another ill informed pop at Hodgson

 


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View CT GUY-BIGBALD EAGLE's Profile CT GUY-BIGBALD EAGLE Flag bloomfield 14 Jan 20 11.06am Send a Private Message to CT GUY-BIGBALD EAGLE Add CT GUY-BIGBALD EAGLE as a friend

Think Roy, great as he has been for us has a default play to not lose,and when you do try to equalize philosophy. thus he prefers to work in the realm of what he knows first.it had to take a ward injury and awb hitting it right out of the park. meyer is another example. jairo yet another. wont dare to use them creatively from the outset

 

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View cpj's Profile cpj Flag Kent 14 Jan 20 11.09am Send a Private Message to cpj Add cpj as a friend

Typical Hodgson. Will never play a creative attacking midfielder. If I was Meyer I'd be thinking hard about my future. Absolute disgrace. Nor do I beleive this 'bad attitude' business - Warnock seemed to think he was OK.

 

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View HolmesdaleUpper's Profile HolmesdaleUpper Flag Sanderstead 14 Jan 20 11.20am Send a Private Message to HolmesdaleUpper Add HolmesdaleUpper as a friend

To be fair to Roy, I saw AWB alot in the U23 before he got his chance and never thought for a minute he would make such an impact in the first team. He was OK but never more. With Jairo wasn't it only a few games ago against Watford that people on here were still slatting him?
Hindsight is a wonderful thing.

 

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View SW19 CPFC's Profile SW19 CPFC Flag Addiscombe West 14 Jan 20 12.52pm Send a Private Message to SW19 CPFC Add SW19 CPFC as a friend

Originally posted by cpj

Typical Hodgson. Will never play a creative attacking midfielder. If I was Meyer I'd be thinking hard about my future. Absolute disgrace. Nor do I beleive this 'bad attitude' business - Warnock seemed to think he was OK.

Simply not the case. Historically, he's had issues at pretty much every club he's been at. Including Cardiff under Warnock. Great quote from him here sums him up for me...

"I think it's down to the player really. If you saw Sol Bamba's scan on his thigh then he wouldn't have played the last six weeks and he's probably been our best player, and he told me 'I'm alright gaffer.' And I think that that's the makeup of players, (some are) stronger than others."

Essentially, talented guy, knows it, doesn't work hard enough and head easily turned. I do agree that this should have been looked at more before signing but maybe they just took a gamble on him.

Mercenary. Doesn't fit well into a hard working, dedicated tight knit squad.

Simple as.


PS. On Meyer – he's a creative player but he is tiny, not physical enough and will only ever make a difference in certain games where he has space and isn't going to be bullied on the pitch. That's why he is so effective as a second half sub – can come on when players are more tired and less likely to track and hassle him. I can therefore understand why he doesn't play enough, although he has also been injured for a while and was just getting a run in the team before Auba nailed him.

Edited by SW19 CPFC (14 Jan 2020 12.54pm)

 


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View susmik's Profile susmik Flag PLYMOUTH -But Made in Old Coulsdon... 14 Jan 20 2.51pm Send a Private Message to susmik Add susmik as a friend

Originally posted by cpj

Typical Hodgson. Will never play a creative attacking midfielder. If I was Meyer I'd be thinking hard about my future. Absolute disgrace. Nor do I beleive this 'bad attitude' business - Warnock seemed to think he was OK.

Roy has ALWAYS had his own ideas and will never ever change I am afraid.... He DOES have his favourites!!

 


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View NEILLO's Profile NEILLO Flag Shoreham-by-Sea 14 Jan 20 4.07pm Send a Private Message to NEILLO Add NEILLO as a friend

Originally posted by susmik

Roy has ALWAYS had his own ideas and will never ever change I am afraid.... He DOES have his favourites!!

You're absolutely right !

 


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Originally posted by SW19 CPFC

Simply not the case. Historically, he's had issues at pretty much every club he's been at. Including Cardiff under Warnock. Great quote from him here sums him up for me...

"I think it's down to the player really. If you saw Sol Bamba's scan on his thigh then he wouldn't have played the last six weeks and he's probably been our best player, and he told me 'I'm alright gaffer.' And I think that that's the makeup of players, (some are) stronger than others."

Essentially, talented guy, knows it, doesn't work hard enough and head easily turned. I do agree that this should have been looked at more before signing but maybe they just took a gamble on him.

Mercenary. Doesn't fit well into a hard working, dedicated tight knit squad.

Simple as.


PS. On Meyer – he's a creative player but he is tiny, not physical enough and will only ever make a difference in certain games where he has space and isn't going to be bullied on the pitch. That's why he is so effective as a second half sub – can come on when players are more tired and less likely to track and hassle him. I can therefore understand why he doesn't play enough, although he has also been injured for a while and was just getting a run in the team before Auba nailed him.

Edited by SW19 CPFC (14 Jan 2020 12.54pm)

Zola or dennis wise werent any bigger if not a bit smaller and they tore teams apart.
But all of this doesnt matter if Meyer is going to be injured for a while

COYP

 

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