I do.

If the government of national unity had negotiated a soft Brexit deal with the EU and put that to the people in a 3 way choice of no Brexit, no deal, or a soft Brexit then I think we would have got a soft Brexit and would have "left" with the terms in place before a GE.

As I think we would have needed PR to make that choice they could then argue that now is also the time to change our entire electoral system. That change will arrive. It's only a question of when and not of if.

Farage would then have supported such a change as it would pretty much guarantee him a substantial voice in Parliament. It would though have split the Tories in two.

It would not have stopped the arguments though.

That's why I said that Labour would have been wise to have pushed for PR. With Corbyn out of the picture they would have appealed to a much wider group of voters and also been more amenable to tactical voting pacts.

Of course Farage and Johnson could have made a deal themselves, and tried to convince everybody that a further renegotiation was needed, but with Brexit "done" I don't think that would have succeeded.

Opportunity missed every bit as obviously as Tosun's was last night.

Too late now. Just like Palace those who favour EU membership need a rest and then to come back full of fight and determination again.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

For once I agree with you. All that talk of a government of national unity and of compromise and consensus when he really meant my way or the highway.

The other opposition parties were willing to deal but I give them some credit they had "skin in the game". Their "skin" was risking alienating their core supporters e.g.student loans, they were willing to do this Corbyn however was not prepared to make a similar risk e.g. step aside for the good of the country. That's why those talks went no where. He wanted them to risk everything so he could get his hands on the levers of power.

Edited by Badger11 (22 Jan 2020 4.01pm)

One more point

I agree but he was the one calling for the other parties to join him, why should they unless he was prepared to give something up.

Anyway I don't care there was a brief moment of opportunity for the Remain MPs and they blew so that's their fault. Roll on Jan 31.

One more point

Or in Corbyn's case the PLO.

Red and Blue Army!

Red and Blue Army!

Some chatter out there about Starmer potentially being kicked out of the leadership race due to breaches of data policy. Papers are carrying reports of the actual accusations.

LOL. Be funny if it were true and I am sure that many in the upper reaches of the Corbynite wing would love to help their gal RLB out.

But even they could not be this stupid? Although to be fair this was the same party who thought a policy of offering even more Brexit to a nation sick to death of it all was a cracking idea so who knows?

Or just a storm (pun fully intended given what is going on out there at the moment) in a Sunday tea-cup?

"The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.