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View mattteo's Profile mattteo Flag 15 Jan 20 8.51am Send a Private Message to mattteo Add mattteo as a friend

Originally posted by nead1

Whats your opinion on Luke Wolfenden at Ipswich for the right back position?

Haven't seen him

 

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View mattteo's Profile mattteo Flag 15 Jan 20 9.07am Send a Private Message to mattteo Add mattteo as a friend

Originally posted by cryrst

Matteo.
Is that all your own writing or copy and paste.

It is my writing. Where would I copy-paste it from? It took my a couple of days.

Originally posted by cryrst
Do you watch clips of all these players.

Yes, I do.

Originally posted by cryrst
I get what GPW is asking or even as you are writing put a number say 1 best for CPFC to however high the list goes.
Then the order you write them in wont matter.

This is what I'm saying you should read it carefully and all the way. There is this part:

<<Normally, a good transfer window would have the club bring in one more center forward, 1-2 left wingers, a right winger, an attacking midfielder and a right back. A central midfielder could come in next summer. First step would be to try to convince the 3 great ones out of contract (Milner, Matuidi or Aranguiz). If you have no luck with them, as they will surely have many offers (though PL money is pretty tempting), then you should try to the other central midfielders in the list- and there are 2 possibilities: the more experienced ones or the very young ones, all in a range from 0 to 5 million.

Depending on Zaha's position, whether manager wants to play him central or on the left wing, or his possible departure in the next transfer windows, 1-2 left wingers are to be brought in. That's the position with most players that I've written about (30 who are ready to come here and a few more youngsters). The first step should be to try and get Ryan Fraser and Callejon, whose contracts are up in the next summer. They are experienced players and fight a lot on the pitch, they could replace a player like Zaha.

If you can't convince them, prices are normally as following: somewhere up to 15 million for really young ones with high resale value (20-22 yo: Diego Rossi, Cody Gakpo, Vargas, Pavon, Luis Diaz, Onyekuru), even Idrissi and Elyounoussi could still be considered young. As for more experienced players with less resale value, the price drops: 10 million for Orsic at 27, 8 millon for Schurrle at 29, 5 million for Darwin Machis, 5 million for Kevin Bua, 6 million for Verbic, 8 million for Tello etc. There are also very low prices for those from smaller teams, but untested at a high level: just 2 million for Lovric from Croatia or 4 million from Vukanovic from Serbia.

A good strategy would see Palace buy one younger player for 10-15 million and a more experienced one for as little as 5 million, whichever of the above you prefer.

For right wingers (left footed), it's the same thing: younger ones with higher resale value are more expensive: normally Bowen, but he's in the last 6 months (so should be the first to try to sign), Calvin Stengs or Skov Olsen or Matheus Pereira (20-22 yo) are worth about 15 million. Lamela, though not very young, is also about 15 million, coming from a Top 6 team and with big experience. Bakaev from Russia who is 23 I'd say can be brought for 7-8 million. Older players are cheaper. >>


Originally posted by cryrst
Good work however it's done.

Thanks


 

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View mattteo's Profile mattteo Flag 24 Jan 20 11.44pm Send a Private Message to mattteo Add mattteo as a friend

Just a quick update: Andrasz Sporar, the Slovenian striker has been sold by Slovan Bratislava to Sporting Lisbon for about 5,5 million pounds. That's a really great striker we missed out on. Keep an eye on him in the next years.

Mislav Orsic....now everyone is talking about Carrasco, but why not check out Mislav Orsic instead? I don;t know if any of the Palace board watches these threads or talks )), but I'll write this anyway: there could not be 2 morea similar players than Carrasco and Mislav Orsic of Dinamo Zagreb. Both are o similar age (8 months between them), exactly the same height, very similar playing style on the left and good technique (I'd actually give Orsic the edge here after having seen him in 6 Champions League matches this year: 2 times against Manchester City, 2 times against Atalanta and 2 times against Shakhtar Donetsk, all very powerful times, and where he established himself as an amazing player, dribbling with ease and in very high speeds).

The point is that WBA really, really wants to transfer him now. They are offering Dinamo Zagreb 8 million for him, while the Croatians want 12.5. I think a 10 million offer would land him. His annual salary in Zagreb is 0.5 million, so he'll surely agree to a move to England. WBA has all salaries under 50.000 per week (maybe with the exception of Charlie Austin, who was an experienced goalscorer when he signed) and most their salaries are in the 30-40k a week range. I expect they'd offer Orsic the same. A 60k per week would definitely get him to us. That would mean 3.2 per year. In 4 years almost 13 million and with an initial fee of 10 million, it would be a 23 million investment in Orsic in the next 4 years.

Now with Carrasco....things are far more complicated. He would initially come on loan and if he does manage to settle in, I think a salary of at least 7 million will need to be paid (if he takes a pay cut)+ a transfer fee of about 10-15 million (it was talk of 18 million in the summer, but he's closing in in his final years of contract). Right now he's on 180k per week, so 9.5 million. If he doesn't take a pay-cut, it would be 38 million+ a transfer fee of 10 million to a total of 48 million investment in him in 4 years. Even if he takes a pay cut, it would still be somewhere at 43 million.

Sure, Carrasco has been a good player for Monaco and Atletico Madrid and the Belgium national team. But Orsic's misfortune was that he was born in a place so far away from western football. He had no opportunities to join Monaco or Atletico at a young age. All he had from Croatian football was the opportunity to go to South Korea and earn better salary there. And he did for a while. Before coming back to Dinamo Zagreb, he played in South Korea and in China for a couple of years. Considering that his team there scored 76 goals in 103 matches and Carrasco's scored 60 goals in the Chinese league in 80 matches, the scoring percentage is rather similar.

Orsic contributed to 11 goals and 10 assists in 5100 minutes in his Korean playing days in 2017 and 2018 and in the Asean Champions League (which the Koreans, Japanese and Chinese pretty much dominate in that part of the world).

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As a comparison, Carrasco contributed to 14 goals (disregarding 10 penalties which could have been taken by anyone, but he was the star of the team so he took them) and 17 assists in 4700 minutes, 900 of which as center forward, a little more advanced and easier to score.

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Carrasco's stats look a little better than Orsic's in the far East. But here comes Orsic back to Europe and he's on the rise incredibly with some amazing matches for Dinamo Zagreb which make him even surpass Carrasco's days in Atletico Madrid:

20 goals and 7 assists in 2900 minutes in Croatia and 12 goals and 5 assists in 2350 minutes in European football, including a hat-trick in the Champions League against Italian very strong team Atalanta (3rd place finish last year and Champions League last 16 now) and some terrific matches against Man City and Shakhtar.

Also made the Croatian national team post- their World Cup final and in a team where the wingers are Perisic from Bayern Munich, Rebic from AC Milan and 21 year old 40 million Breckalo from Wolfsburg.

IF YOU DON'T KNOW WHO MISLAV ORSIC IS AND HOW HE IS COMPARED TO CARRASCO, WATCH THIS:

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Here him against Shakhtar in the Champions league: [Link]

You can see his assist at 1:28 seconds. And great skills with him hitting the post at 2:20.

And his hatt-trick against Atalanta: [Link]

He has also had touches of greatness against Mancgester City, even though against City, Dinamo Zagreb were having a hard time, much like any PL team would. Even if Orsic's level has been lower than Carrasco's top La Liga football, his percentage of scoring or assisting once every 120 minutes could surely translate to scoring or assisting once every 180 minutes in a top league like the PL. And doing this in below than 200 minutes....well, it's outstanding for a winger. Very few achieve this.

Zaha is one of those (long term, not current form). Orsic could be adequate replacement for Zaha.

Taking Carrasco is like having to buy a car and going with the more expensive one just cause it's more famous, when there's an exactly alike model 20-25 million cheaper. And 20-25 million are a lot of money for a club!!

 

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View EddieMac's Profile EddieMac Flag 25 Jan 20 5.36pm Send a Private Message to EddieMac Add EddieMac as a friend

Matteo have you ever considered setting up your own independent website with transfer news etc or a place where you can post these type of posts and articles and they can be seen and discussed by a wider audience. I won’t lie and say I’ve read all your posts as they are not my cup of tea but you obviously have a passion for football and in particular the lesser known players so maybe it’s time you should try reach a wider audience with your knowledge and get some more reward from the time and effort you put into your posts.

 

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View chris123's Profile chris123 Flag hove actually 25 Jan 20 6.34pm Send a Private Message to chris123 Add chris123 as a friend

West Brom's interest, with a Croatian manager, makes sense then.

 

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View Bholl85's Profile Bholl85 Flag Guildford 28 Jan 20 10.32am Send a Private Message to Bholl85 Add Bholl85 as a friend

Sell PVA
Get in Ferguson (permanent) & Rose
Loan Carrasco

That'll do me.

**Just my preferences, based on zero fact or ITK knowledge

 

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