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View Tickled pink's Profile Tickled pink Flag Cornwall 09 Feb 20 11.18pm Send a Private Message to Tickled pink Add Tickled pink as a friend

Originally posted by jeeagles

Is there a game you think we might win?

Home against Newcastle then away to Brighton and Bournemouth, home to Burnley and then away to Villa that should be enough, all the other games will be a bonus.

Leicester and Liverpool won't enjoy playing us as long as Tosun remains fit.

 

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View thai-eagle's Profile thai-eagle Flag chiang mai 09 Feb 20 11.43pm Send a Private Message to thai-eagle Add thai-eagle as a friend

For me it is the constant picking of a negative midfield trio that cost us points. And the way subs are used - or rather unused.
When we a goal down, having an opportunity to nick a point (at Goodison) - Ward (quite rightly so) is taken off and subbed with the former West Ham midfielder.
How could that happen by a veteran manager like ours? It is beyond me....

 

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View Dan Theolmesdaleroad's Profile Dan Theolmesdaleroad Flag Up north 10 Feb 20 12.06am Send a Private Message to Dan Theolmesdaleroad Add Dan Theolmesdaleroad as a friend

No

 

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View viveasheagle's Profile viveasheagle Flag perth 10 Feb 20 6.07am Send a Private Message to viveasheagle Add viveasheagle as a friend

No - I don't think there is anyone better around that can come in and Roy has the experience to keep us in the EPL.

 

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View MonsterMunch's Profile MonsterMunch Flag Cambridge 10 Feb 20 8.59am Send a Private Message to MonsterMunch Add MonsterMunch as a friend

Originally posted by Tickled pink

Home against Newcastle then away to Brighton and Bournemouth, home to Burnley and then away to Villa that should be enough, all the other games will be a bonus.

Leicester and Liverpool won't enjoy playing us as long as Tosun remains fit.

Not a chance. Do you actually watch our games? This would have to mean a complete change in tactics for Roy to win those number of games. We have won 3 games in 19..

Roy does not set up to win games, he sets up not to lose.This may be enough to limp over the line granted but now the defence is leaking goals he could have a problem - unless the give it to zaha tactic can pay off.. again.

 

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jeeagles Flag 10 Feb 20 9.00am

Originally posted by Tickled pink

Home against Newcastle then away to Brighton and Bournemouth, home to Burnley and then away to Villa that should be enough, all the other games will be a bonus.

Leicester and Liverpool won't enjoy playing us as long as Tosun remains fit.

Looking at the reverse fixtures we've already played. I'd normally expect us to be able to pick up home wins against Newcastle and Burnley, but we have been shocking at home and will line up in the same negative way again.

We were crap at home to Brighton for the first 75 minutes. I can't see things being different away. Bournemouth and Villa are both pretty rubbish so we might be able to scrape something.

Leicester strolled to a 2-0 win at Selhust. We wont beat them away.

Only way we stand a chance against Liverpool is if they have won the league before we play.

 

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View southnorwoodhill's Profile southnorwoodhill Flag 10 Feb 20 9.08am Send a Private Message to southnorwoodhill Add southnorwoodhill as a friend

Originally posted by MonsterMunch

Not a chance. Do you actually watch our games? This would have to mean a complete change in tactics for Roy to win those number of games. We have won 3 games in 19..

Roy does not set up to win games, he sets up not to lose.This may be enough to limp over the line granted but now the defence is leaking goals he could have a problem - unless the give it to zaha tactic can pay off.. again.

Beat me to it. And this the essential point - this is the way RH has set up the team all season. One can assume that his plan is to collect the odd point here and there, thus keeping us above the relegation pack. Unfortunately the team, which is set up tactically not to concede, is conceding regularly now, compounded by the lack of goals at the other end. It seems clear that a different strategy is called for, but who in all honesty thinks Hodgson is capable of making that call?


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View Palacesince64's Profile Palacesince64 Flag Edinburgh 10 Feb 20 9.14am Send a Private Message to Palacesince64 Add Palacesince64 as a friend

No. He has a group of ageing pros with limited talent playing as a team and surviving in the Premier League. Not particularly exciting to watch (understatement?)and too defensive a lot of the time but doing the best with what he has at his disposal.

Biggest criticism is his inflexibility when plan A isn’t working, but not sure what our plan B could be with this squad. The obvious one is start throwing crosses into the box to play to Benteke’s strengths (?) but it’s apparent no one can remember how to cross a ball.

“Give it to Wilf” isn’t working. Last season he was at least getting into the box and winning pens for Luka. Maybe he needs a rest for a game or two.

Anyone suggest an effective plan B with this squad?

 

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View MonsterMunch's Profile MonsterMunch Flag Cambridge 10 Feb 20 9.22am Send a Private Message to MonsterMunch Add MonsterMunch as a friend

Originally posted by Palacesince64

No. He has a group of ageing pros with limited talent playing as a team and surviving in the Premier League. Not particularly exciting to watch (understatement?)and too defensive a lot of the time but doing the best with what he has at his disposal.

Biggest criticism is his inflexibility when plan A isn’t working, but not sure what our plan B could be with this squad. The obvious one is start throwing crosses into the box to play to Benteke’s strengths (?) but it’s apparent no one can remember how to cross a ball.

“Give it to Wilf” isn’t working. Last season he was at least getting into the box and winning pens for Luka. Maybe he needs a rest for a game or two.

Anyone suggest an effective plan B with this squad?

442

Benteke/Tosun with Ayew up top

Wilf and Andros out wide

We could also talk about the merits of 4231 with this squad but this a step too far for Roy. At least hes played 442 with some effectiveness before.

He has alternatives in midfield in Meyer and Jairo to add a bit more dynamism. Its frustrating to hear he has a poor ageing squad(he has btw) but he should be doing better with those players at his disposal. He hides behind this excuse imo. I just dont think Roy has enough tactical ability to change. I think we will crawl over the line with some hard fought draws but I am worried.

 

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View Tickled pink's Profile Tickled pink Flag Cornwall 10 Feb 20 9.24am Send a Private Message to Tickled pink Add Tickled pink as a friend

Originally posted by MonsterMunch

Not a chance. Do you actually watch our games? This would have to mean a complete change in tactics for Roy to win those number of games. We have won 3 games in 19..

Roy does not set up to win games, he sets up not to lose.This may be enough to limp over the line granted but now the defence is leaking goals he could have a problem - unless the give it to zaha tactic can pay off.. again.

These are games we should expect at least a point from especially with a decent striker in Tosun, the other two games will more then likely not be good results but I expect us to still play well and cause problems, we have recent history to always do so.

 

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View MonsterMunch's Profile MonsterMunch Flag Cambridge 10 Feb 20 9.34am Send a Private Message to MonsterMunch Add MonsterMunch as a friend

Originally posted by Tickled pink

These are games we should expect at least a point from especially with a decent striker in Tosun, the other two games will more then likely not be good results but I expect us to still play well and cause problems, we have recent history to always do so.

I like your positivity and you are right in recent times we have put a strong run in at the end of the year. In my opinion we have an experienced manager but is limited in his set up and in our situation with so many poor displays this season, especially at home and devoid of any attacking intent I am concerned Roys out of ideas. The Zaha tactic looks busted now, double if not treble up on him and thats our game plan nullified. I agree, I like Tosun but when you look at what he has behind him i'm not sure it matters who we had striker wise. Our midfield is so rigid and predictable it must be awful for an attacking player. Not a single one of the midfield 3 has an ounce of natural creative instinct in them. Its painful.

 

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View CrazyBadger's Profile CrazyBadger Flag Ware 10 Feb 20 9.37am Send a Private Message to CrazyBadger Add CrazyBadger as a friend

No.
Unless we have Pochettino already lined up.

 


"It was a Team effort, I guess it took all players working together to lose this one"

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