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View Midlands Eagle's Profile Midlands Eagle Flag 11 Feb 20 10.57am Send a Private Message to Midlands Eagle Add Midlands Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Cucking Funt

Well, Sinn Fein performed pretty well in NI in the General Election. And NI voted to stay in the EU. There appears to be a growing desire for reunification on both sides of the border and, frankly, I doubt if the UK government has the stomach for another fight in Ireland on its hands.

Yes, we are a step closer.

Is there any great reason why we shouldn't allow the re-unification of Ireland as long as they behave reasonably towards the minorities.

After all it would relieve a huge financial burden on Great Britain

 

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View Matov's Profile Matov Flag 11 Feb 20 12.13pm Send a Private Message to Matov Add Matov as a friend

Originally posted by Cucking Funt

Well, Sinn Fein performed pretty well in NI in the General Election. And NI voted to stay in the EU. There appears to be a growing desire for reunification on both sides of the border and, frankly, I doubt if the UK government has the stomach for another fight in Ireland on its hands.

Yes, we are a step closer.

The issue is not whether the UK has the stomach, it is about Dublin. I have no doubts that HMG in London would not lose a moments sleep if NI was to join the South. Nothing but hassle and its MP's a constant thorn in the side.

But for any unification process to be successful it needs the Unionist population in the North to be largely on board. Which would mean Dublin would need to be able to offer a continuation of a raft of public life issues that we take for granted in the UK but which are almost non-existent in the South. Just health-care alone is a big enough issue on a variety of levels. Could Dublin, especially in light of a potential hard Brexit scenario which leaves it effectively isolated from its beloved EU along with having to compete, and invaribly losing, its market share in the UK for a variety of agricultural products cope with having to mirror, for better or worse, our NHS? Because if it has to offer it in Belfast then it would have to match that in Cork.

And if the Loyalist terrorist organisations were to decide to resist, then I hate to think how Dublin would cope with a full on insurrection. It lacks the security apparatus to even begin to think about combatting the level of ferocity that would be unleashed.

On our side of the water, we quite rightly despise the IRA but the reality is that towards the end of the troubles it was the Unionist groups who were by far the most barbaric in their actions in the North. One theory I read was that the IRA were actually looking for a way out due to the realisation that they could not match the Unionists in terms of sheer and unrelenting brutality.

If Sinn Fein get a sniff of power in the South in hardens Unionist sentiment in the North. That seems a no-brainer. And must make wiser heads in Dublin become even less in favour of having to become 'a nation once again'.

Edited by Matov (11 Feb 2020 12.14pm)

 


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View Badger11's Profile Badger11 Flag Beckenham 11 Feb 20 12.45pm Send a Private Message to Badger11 Add Badger11 as a friend

I principle the Irish are in favour of a United Ireland, however the reality is they would have 1mm disgruntled people on their own doorstep.

A united Ireland is something to sing about in the pubs of Dublin but until the north actively want it the south will not force the issue.

As Matov points out there is also an economic problem for the South no doubt Mr Varadker would love a union just so as long as the UK government continues to subside the north.


Edited by Badger11 (11 Feb 2020 12.46pm)

 


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View Matov's Profile Matov Flag 11 Feb 20 12.59pm Send a Private Message to Matov Add Matov as a friend

Originally posted by Badger11

As Matov points out there is also an economic problem for the South no doubt Mr Varadker would love a union just so as long as the UK government continues to subside the north.


Edited by Badger11 (11 Feb 2020 12.46pm)

It is the Elephant in the room. And why the Irish will miss us the most in the EU because we stood up for them on a variety of issues that puts them at odds with what Brussels wants.

Varadkar really was a t*** of the highest order and I am convinced that history will judge him badly, especially given how he allowed himself to be used as Brussels bitchboy.

And also why I suspect that a Sinn Fein led coalition Government might play out well for the UK in terms of dealing with Brexit. Because despite all the EU flag waving there are huge contradictions between what Sinn Fein espouse in terms of economic policy and what Brussels wants to happen. And in that conflict, the Shinners might prove an unlikely allie for the UK.

The ROI needs UK markets. And it needs access to those on favourable terms. No ifs or buts around that. Varadkar played his cards badly, banking on Brexit being canceled and lost.

 


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View Ghostship's Profile Ghostship Flag Norfolk 11 Feb 20 1.19pm Send a Private Message to Ghostship Add Ghostship as a friend

If there is to be a unified Ireland then I think we will see a lot of Loyalists in the North moving over to England and Scotland. That wouldn't be a bad thing as Irish people, or the ones I have known, are hard working and loyal to the monarchy. Would rather have them over here than some of the dross we get from elsewhere.

 

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View PalazioVecchio's Profile PalazioVecchio Flag south pole 11 Feb 20 6.21pm Send a Private Message to PalazioVecchio Add PalazioVecchio as a friend

Originally posted by Ghostship

If there is to be a unified Ireland then I think we will see a lot of Loyalists in the North moving over to England and Scotland. That wouldn't be a bad thing as Irish people, or the ones I have known, are hard working and loyal to the monarchy. Would rather have them over here than some of the dross we get from elsewhere.

Alternatively you partition Ulster into 3 fully Catholic counties and 3 fully protestant ones...the latter to the East.

hey presto, no civil strife. A shrunken but peaceful and prosperous Northern Ireland. Cos a United Ireland sounds like nothing but trouble.

ps. Varadkar was deeply unpopular in many quarters in Ireland. His bullying of the UK over Brexit was not supported in ireland, but maybe made Angela Merkel happy.

Edited by PalazioVecchio (11 Feb 2020 6.25pm)

 


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No chip on this shoulder.

 


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No chip on this shoulder.

visit Glasgow Rangers or Chelsea and hear all the love.

 


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Originally posted by PalazioVecchio

visit Glasgow Rangers or Chelsea and hear all the love.

I can also always go to Liverpool or Celtic and hear the Fields of Athenry.

 


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