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SW19 CPFC Addiscombe West 23 Mar 20 11.46am
Originally posted by Stirlingsays So much for 'herd immunity' then. Not that it made much sense in the first place. However, I also don't agree with turning the country into an economic disaster zone where crowds are banned. We lived with smallpox and other viruses through history...the Spanish flu (which killed the fit and healthy) and we didn't destroy the economy doing it. I believe the focus should be on isolating the elderly and vulnerable and testing everyone coming off an incoming flight not on telling everyone else to stay home....that isn't going to work anyway. That's where all the money should go.....not on stopping the economy and paying people.....how long do they expect that to continue? Anyway, you can't 'ask' people to do A and B and then expect compliance, not in this society.....that's been the most awkward aspect of government advice. It's like la la land. Edited by Stirlingsays (23 Mar 2020 11.32am) Edited by Stirlingsays (23 Mar 2020 11.34am) I agree with the last para – but personally I don't think they ever considered it to be a realistic strategy in the first place. All these increasingly draconian steps are simply leading to one thing, legally enforced social restrictions (eg. Italy, Germany, max 2 people 'gatherings') I would assume that has been the end goal all along, problem is you can't just drop that straight away as you'll a) create panic, and b) probably unrest. I think there's a bit of playing dumb going on here. Has been for a while. Makes total sense when you hear they've been leaning heavily on behavioural science since the beginning to drive their overall strategy – something I think they've been doing too much of, it has a role but not a lead. Pretty sure we'll have permit systems in place by the end of the week along with legally enforceable, severe social restriction rules. On the economic POV, I know of at least one massive, UK based international corporate that is cutting some budgets by up to 4/5. We all know what that means for staff. Not exactly surprising, but I swear some people have just been skipping along blindly comforted by their own rainbow coloured ignorance blanket. I'd say I find that bizarre, but my signoff and general park attendance yesterday would suggest otherwise. One of my mates who is living with his elderly mother got scoffed at by, ironically, another older gentleman whilst going to the shops for supplies wearing a mask. Scoff all you want mate, you won't be laughing in a couple of weeks time. Did you know? 98.0000001% of people are morons.
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Addiscombe West 23 Mar 20 11.46am

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

So much for 'herd immunity' then.

Not that it made much sense in the first place.

However, I also don't agree with turning the country into an economic disaster zone where crowds are banned. We lived with smallpox and other viruses through history...the Spanish flu (which killed the fit and healthy) and we didn't destroy the economy doing it.

I believe the focus should be on isolating the elderly and vulnerable and testing everyone coming off an incoming flight not on telling everyone else to stay home....that isn't going to work anyway.

That's where all the money should go.....not on stopping the economy and paying people.....how long do they expect that to continue?

Anyway, you can't 'ask' people to do A and B and then expect compliance, not in this society.....that's been the most awkward aspect of government advice.

It's like la la land.

Edited by Stirlingsays (23 Mar 2020 11.32am)

Edited by Stirlingsays (23 Mar 2020 11.34am)

I agree with the last para – but personally I don't think they ever considered it to be a realistic strategy in the first place. All these increasingly draconian steps are simply leading to one thing, legally enforced social restrictions (eg. Italy, Germany, max 2 people 'gatherings')

I would assume that has been the end goal all along, problem is you can't just drop that straight away as you'll a) create panic, and b) probably unrest. I think there's a bit of playing dumb going on here. Has been for a while. Makes total sense when you hear they've been leaning heavily on behavioural science since the beginning to drive their overall strategy – something I think they've been doing too much of, it has a role but not a lead.

Pretty sure we'll have permit systems in place by the end of the week along with legally enforceable, severe social restriction rules.

On the economic POV, I know of at least one massive, UK based international corporate that is cutting some budgets by up to 4/5. We all know what that means for staff. Not exactly surprising, but I swear some people have just been skipping along blindly comforted by their own rainbow coloured ignorance blanket. I'd say I find that bizarre, but my signoff and general park attendance yesterday would suggest otherwise.

One of my mates who is living with his elderly mother got scoffed at by, ironically, another older gentleman whilst going to the shops for supplies wearing a mask. Scoff all you want mate, you won't be laughing in a couple of weeks time.

Did you know? 98.0000001% of people are morons.

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cryrst The garden of England 23 Mar 20 11.54am
Originally posted by Stirlingsays So much for 'herd immunity' then. Not that it made much sense in the first place. However, I also don't agree with turning the country into an economic disaster zone where crowds are banned. We lived with smallpox and other viruses through history...the Spanish flu (which killed the fit and healthy) and we didn't destroy the economy doing it. I believe the focus should be on isolating the elderly and vulnerable and testing everyone coming off an incoming flight not on telling everyone else to stay home....that isn't going to work anyway. That's where all the money should go.....not on stopping the economy and paying people.....how long do they expect that to continue? Anyway, you can't 'ask' people to do A and B and then expect compliance, not in this society.....that's been the most awkward aspect of government advice. Edited by Stirlingsays (23 Mar 2020 11.45am) On the radio earlier a doctor said they have 30 and 40 year olds with no underlying issues on life support ventilation. It's too early to assume this will leave fit younger ones alone. They may recover in larger nos but this C19 could change at any time.
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The garden of England 23 Mar 20 11.54am

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

So much for 'herd immunity' then.

Not that it made much sense in the first place.

I believe the focus should be on isolating the elderly and vulnerable and testing everyone coming off an incoming flight not on telling everyone else to stay home....that isn't going to work anyway.

That's where all the money should go.....not on stopping the economy and paying people.....how long do they expect that to continue?

Anyway, you can't 'ask' people to do A and B and then expect compliance, not in this society.....that's been the most awkward aspect of government advice.

Edited by Stirlingsays (23 Mar 2020 11.45am)

On the radio earlier a doctor said they have 30 and 40 year olds with no underlying issues on life support ventilation.
It's too early to assume this will leave fit younger ones alone.
They may recover in larger nos but this C19 could change at any time.

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Forest Hillbilly in a hidey-hole 23 Mar 20 12.02pm
Originally posted by SavoyTruffle Construction site in Waterloo this morning, every single one of these people has the ability to spread the virus on to someone more vulnerable and chance to exacerbate and extend the crisis. Why the government has not mandated closure of businesses at this point baffles me. All these men will be self employed and as such don’t have cover in the provisions announced on Friday so of course they would still go to work. It’s going to be easy to try and blame the public for going out And spreading this but without proper support in place non essential workers will continue to go to work. Boris lauded the 'gig-economy'. Loads of people who cannot work would be unable to claim benefits, or even sick pay. Tory policies are leading to an economic catastrophe for many working people. Edited by Forest Hillbilly (23 Mar 2020 12.05pm) "The facts have changed", Rishi Sunak
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Originally posted by SavoyTruffle

Construction site in Waterloo this morning, every single one of these people has the ability to spread the virus on to someone more vulnerable and chance to exacerbate and extend the crisis.

Why the government has not mandated closure of businesses at this point baffles me. All these men will be self employed and as such don’t have cover in the provisions announced on Friday so of course they would still go to work.

It’s going to be easy to try and blame the public for going out And spreading this but without proper support in place non essential workers will continue to go to work.

Boris lauded the 'gig-economy'. Loads of people who cannot work would be unable to claim benefits, or even sick pay.
Tory policies are leading to an economic catastrophe for many working people.

Edited by Forest Hillbilly (23 Mar 2020 12.05pm)

"The facts have changed", Rishi Sunak

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Stirlingsays 23 Mar 20 12.02pm
Originally posted by SW19 CPFC I agree with the last para – but personally I don't think they ever considered it to be a realistic strategy in the first place. All these increasingly draconian steps are simply leading to one thing, legally enforced social restrictions (eg. Italy, Germany, max 2 people 'gatherings') I would assume that has been the end goal all along, problem is you can't just drop that straight away as you'll a) create panic, and b) probably unrest. I think there's a bit of playing dumb going on here. Has been for a while. Makes total sense when you hear they've been leaning heavily on behavioural science since the beginning to drive their overall strategy – something I think they've been doing too much of, it has a role but not a lead. Pretty sure we'll have permit systems in place by the end of the week along with legally enforceable, severe social restriction rules. On the economic POV, I know of at least one massive, UK based international corporate that is cutting some budgets by up to 4/5. We all know what that means for staff. Not exactly surprising, but I swear some people have just been skipping along blindly comforted by their own rainbow coloured ignorance blanket. I'd say I find that bizarre, but my signoff and general park attendance yesterday would suggest otherwise. One of my mates who is living with his elderly mother got scoffed at by, ironically, another older gentleman whilst going to the shops for supplies wearing a mask. Scoff all you want mate, you won't be laughing in a couple of weeks time. Just how long do they think this type of economic approach can last? I always considered the 'herd immunity' phrase to be misleading, however I definitely don't see the sense in locking everything down. If you are under fifty and healthy your chances of dying of this are extremely low. You might catch it and be ill, some won't even know they have had it. We should be putting money into nationally isolating those who are at risk as best we can......not destroying the economy. That's my take anyway. Edited by Stirlingsays (23 Mar 2020 12.04pm) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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23 Mar 20 12.02pm

Originally posted by SW19 CPFC

Pretty sure we'll have permit systems in place by the end of the week along with legally enforceable, severe social restriction rules.

Just how long do they think this type of economic approach can last?

I always considered the 'herd immunity' phrase to be misleading, however I definitely don't see the sense in locking everything down.

If you are under fifty and healthy your chances of dying of this are extremely low. You might catch it and be ill, some won't even know they have had it.

We should be putting money into nationally isolating those who are at risk as best we can......not destroying the economy.

That's my take anyway.

Edited by Stirlingsays (23 Mar 2020 12.04pm)

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Cucking Funt Clapham on the Back 23 Mar 20 12.05pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays So much for 'herd immunity' then. Not that it made much sense in the first place. However, I also don't agree with turning the country into an economic disaster zone where crowds are banned. We lived with smallpox and other viruses through history...the Spanish flu (which killed the fit and healthy) and we didn't destroy the economy doing it. I believe the focus should be on isolating the elderly and vulnerable and testing everyone coming off an incoming flight not on telling everyone else to stay home....that isn't going to work anyway. That's where all the money should go.....not on stopping the economy and paying people.....how long do they expect that to continue? Anyway, you can't 'ask' people to do A and B and then expect compliance, not in this society.....that's been the most awkward aspect of government advice Edited by Stirlingsays (23 Mar 2020 11.45am) That's what you get when you listen to quacks like David Halpern of the government behavioural science arm (nudge unit), notorious for putting the shts up DWP claimants and coercing taxpayers into paying more than they have to. Wife beating may be socially acceptable in Sheffield, but it is a different matter in Cheltenham*
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Clapham on the Back 23 Mar 20 12.05pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

So much for 'herd immunity' then.

Not that it made much sense in the first place.

I believe the focus should be on isolating the elderly and vulnerable and testing everyone coming off an incoming flight not on telling everyone else to stay home....that isn't going to work anyway.

That's where all the money should go.....not on stopping the economy and paying people.....how long do they expect that to continue?

Anyway, you can't 'ask' people to do A and B and then expect compliance, not in this society.....that's been the most awkward aspect of government advice

Edited by Stirlingsays (23 Mar 2020 11.45am)

That's what you get when you listen to quacks like David Halpern of the government behavioural science arm (nudge unit), notorious for putting the sh*ts up DWP claimants and coercing taxpayers into paying more than they have to.

Wife beating may be socially acceptable in Sheffield, but it is a different matter in Cheltenham

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.TUX. 23 Mar 20 12.09pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays So much for 'herd immunity' then. Not that it made much sense in the first place. However, I also don't agree with turning the country into an economic disaster zone where crowds are banned. We lived with smallpox and other viruses through history...the Spanish flu (which killed the fit and healthy) and we didn't destroy the economy doing it. I believe the focus should be on isolating the elderly and vulnerable and testing everyone coming off an incoming flight not on telling everyone else to stay home....that isn't going to work anyway. That's where all the money should go.....not on stopping the economy and paying people.....how long do they expect that to continue? Anyway, you can't 'ask' people to do A and B and then expect compliance, not in this society.....that's been the most awkward aspect of government advice. Edited by Stirlingsays (23 Mar 2020 11.45am) For well over a decade already so it's anyone's guess. Buy Litecoin.
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23 Mar 20 12.09pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

So much for 'herd immunity' then.

Not that it made much sense in the first place.

I believe the focus should be on isolating the elderly and vulnerable and testing everyone coming off an incoming flight not on telling everyone else to stay home....that isn't going to work anyway.

That's where all the money should go.....not on stopping the economy and paying people.....how long do they expect that to continue?

Anyway, you can't 'ask' people to do A and B and then expect compliance, not in this society.....that's been the most awkward aspect of government advice.

Edited by Stirlingsays (23 Mar 2020 11.45am)

For well over a decade already so it's anyone's guess.

Buy Litecoin.

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Forest Hillbilly in a hidey-hole 23 Mar 20 12.09pm
I am starting to think the 'alleged' comments from Cummings were almost sensible. Let the disease run its course. The healthy (most) will survive and then have immunity. Some sick and elderly will die. The problem with isolating, is that after restrictions are lifted, it is then possible to start re-infecting the population (with a more persistent strain), who then have no immunity. More will likely die in this event. tough call Edited by Forest Hillbilly (23 Mar 2020 12.11pm) "The facts have changed", Rishi Sunak
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I am starting to think the 'alleged' comments from Cummings were almost sensible.
Let the disease run its course. The healthy (most) will survive and then have immunity. Some sick and elderly will die.

The problem with isolating, is that after restrictions are lifted, it is then possible to start re-infecting the population (with a more persistent strain), who then have no immunity. More will likely die in this event.

tough call

Edited by Forest Hillbilly (23 Mar 2020 12.11pm)

"The facts have changed", Rishi Sunak

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Stirlingsays 23 Mar 20 12.14pm
Originally posted by Cucking Funt That's what you get when you listen to quacks like David Halpern of the government behavioural science arm (nudge unit), notorious for putting the sh*ts up DWP claimants and coercing taxpayers into paying more than they have to. Government is obsessed with arse covering.....manager upon manager all the way to the top. They will protect their wages but you can lose your job and stay at home.....because they are saving lives. Really? The highly intelligent person can lack lack common sense and a wider perspective. Perhaps we are seeing this in action. Edited by Stirlingsays (23 Mar 2020 12.15pm) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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23 Mar 20 12.14pm

Originally posted by Cucking Funt

Government is obsessed with arse covering.....manager upon manager all the way to the top. They will protect their wages but you can lose your job and stay at home.....because they are saving lives. Really?

The highly intelligent person can lack lack common sense and a wider perspective. Perhaps we are seeing this in action.

Edited by Stirlingsays (23 Mar 2020 12.15pm)

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eagleman13 On The Road To Hell & Alicante 23 Mar 20 12.18pm
Originally posted by SavoyTruffle Construction site in Waterloo this morning, every single one of these people has the ability to spread the virus on to someone more vulnerable and chance to exacerbate and extend the crisis. Why the government has not mandated closure of businesses at this point baffles me. All these men will be self employed and as such don’t have cover in the provisions announced on Friday so of course they would still go to work. It’s going to be easy to try and blame the public for going out And spreading this but without proper support in place non essential workers will continue to go to work. Is that the old 'Shell' building? I'm a blind man, i'm a blind man, now my room is cold, When a blind man cries, Lord, he feels it from his soul. [Link]
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Originally posted by SavoyTruffle

Construction site in Waterloo this morning, every single one of these people has the ability to spread the virus on to someone more vulnerable and chance to exacerbate and extend the crisis.

It’s going to be easy to try and blame the public for going out And spreading this but without proper support in place non essential workers will continue to go to work.

Is that the old 'Shell' building?

I'm a blind man, i'm a blind man, now my room is cold,
When a blind man cries, Lord, he feels it from his soul.
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cryrst The garden of England 23 Mar 20 12.21pm
Originally posted by Forest Hillbilly Boris lauded the 'gig-economy'. Loads of people who cannot work would be unable to claim benefits, or even sick pay. Tory policies are leading to an economic catastrophe for many working people. Edited by Forest Hillbilly (23 Mar 2020 12.05pm) Many 1000s absolutely love (d) the fact they could work their own hours and be their own boss. Probably more than we hear about. Their wages are higher typically than a paye. Their tax is lower than a paye and their NI is lower with rebates on the tax if you have a decent accountant. (The pen is mightier than the sword) Maybe if someone had bothered to talk about the recent suggested rise in NI payments their could have been a way of there being payments back at times like this. Unfortunatly you got everyone moaning that £6 a week would be too much and the self employed this and that. Including politicians trying to ramp up their voters. Where is he now.yup sitting in his house on £7 million quid. Blame doesnt lie fully with the government on this. The rainy day is here now and self employed should have saved for it. That is the point and the reality.i pay over 12k a year in tax and NI. How many self employed earning the same or more than me do. A minimal amount would be my guess. If the government paid 80% of their DECLARED annual tax bill I'm sure many many 1000s would still be up s*** creek without a paddle. As tom replied a while ago. You cant have it both ways I'm afraid. Running with the hound and playing with the fox clearly isnt successful.
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The garden of England 23 Mar 20 12.21pm

Originally posted by Forest Hillbilly

Boris lauded the 'gig-economy'. Loads of people who cannot work would be unable to claim benefits, or even sick pay.
Tory policies are leading to an economic catastrophe for many working people.

Edited by Forest Hillbilly (23 Mar 2020 12.05pm)

Many 1000s absolutely love (d) the fact they could work their own hours and be their own boss.
Probably more than we hear about.
Their wages are higher typically than a paye.
Their tax is lower than a paye and their NI is lower with rebates on the tax if you have a decent accountant. (The pen is mightier than the sword)
Maybe if someone had bothered to talk about the recent suggested rise in NI payments their could have been a way of there being payments back at times like this. Unfortunatly you got everyone moaning that £6 a week would be too much and the self employed this and that. Including politicians trying to ramp up their voters. Where is he now.yup sitting in his house on £7 million quid.
Blame doesnt lie fully with the government on this.
The rainy day is here now and self employed should have saved for it. That is the point and the reality.i pay over 12k a year in tax and NI.
How many self employed earning the same or more than me do. A minimal amount would be my guess.
If the government paid 80% of their DECLARED annual tax bill I'm sure many many 1000s would still be up s*** creek without a paddle.
As tom replied a while ago. You cant have it both ways I'm afraid. Running with the hound and playing with the fox clearly isnt successful.

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.TUX. 23 Mar 20 12.24pm
Originally posted by Forest Hillbilly Boris lauded the 'gig-economy'. Loads of people who cannot work would be unable to claim benefits, or even sick pay. Tory policies are leading to an economic catastrophe for many working people. Edited by Forest Hillbilly (23 Mar 2020 12.05pm) More 'Central Banking' policy than any given political party tbf, though they are all culpable for allowing this system to continue, particularly since 08/09 and the aftermath the public were put through for a decade or more. 50yrs of continually printing money from thin-air has it's consequences (for 99% of us) and this deliberately inflated bubble once again found the pin last Sept, ie long before Covid was a thing. Buy Litecoin.
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23 Mar 20 12.24pm

Originally posted by Forest Hillbilly

Boris lauded the 'gig-economy'. Loads of people who cannot work would be unable to claim benefits, or even sick pay.
Tory policies are leading to an economic catastrophe for many working people.

Edited by Forest Hillbilly (23 Mar 2020 12.05pm)

More 'Central Banking' policy than any given political party tbf, though they are all culpable for allowing this system to continue, particularly since 08/09 and the aftermath the public were put through for a decade or more.
50yrs of continually printing money from thin-air has it's consequences (for 99% of us) and this deliberately inflated bubble once again found the pin last Sept, ie long before Covid was a thing.

Buy Litecoin.

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Stirlingsays 23 Mar 20 12.25pm
Originally posted by Forest Hillbilly I am starting to think the 'alleged' comments from Cummings were almost sensible. Let the disease run its course. The healthy (most) will survive and then have immunity. Some sick and elderly will die. The problem with isolating, is that after restrictions are lifted, it is then possible to start re-infecting the population (with a more persistent strain), who then have no immunity. More will likely die in this event. tough call Edited by Forest Hillbilly (23 Mar 2020 12.11pm) The brains behind the throne. Johnson's bottle went. Edited by Stirlingsays (23 Mar 2020 12.26pm) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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23 Mar 20 12.25pm

Originally posted by Forest Hillbilly

tough call

Edited by Forest Hillbilly (23 Mar 2020 12.11pm)

The brains behind the throne.

Johnson's bottle went.

Edited by Stirlingsays (23 Mar 2020 12.26pm)

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