One of the issues with travelling outside of your area is that hospital availability is set according to population stats. So if zillions of people go to the Welsh mountains and some fall ill, the local supports aren't available.

But also one or two small incidents can help move the virus across the country faster and allow a new local outbreak.

This is also interesting

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People with more 'touchy' cultures, who live with multiple generations and who share food are potentially more at risk. Perhaps partially explains the current Spain situation (or maybe the Spanish are simply unhygienic). Maybe us cold fish ethnic Brits will be less badly affected than e.g. our latin counterparts.

I never got paid from the Middle East, I was expat in each of the four countries in which I worked.

I don't recall taking away your voice, I'll have a look in my cupboard just in case though.

If one thing has been learned from WW2 surely it is not to let hate speech spiral out of control to the point where people believe:

1) One group of people is stealing their jobs, their women and their future
2) There is a conspiracy to keep the working people down
3) An elite needs to be shifted to give back power to the people
4) Immigrants and foreigners are dirty and less human
5) Other cultures are inferior
6) They need to maintain a strong unitary ethnic identity at all costs

So yes, after much soul searching I do think misinformation and relentless attacks on 'outsider' groups should be blocked.

How did you feel about Abu Hamza al-Mazri?

Classic....we get hit with the Nazis as a weird sort of justification for his views.

The whole world outside of Europe is ethnocentric and the views you present here have been manifest there in various guises and have formed governments for decades, including to various extents this one....but because the Nazis turned up in Germany....in an extreme set of circumstances, you want to ban people from expressing views.

You'd ban the governments in Poland and Hungray then.

Abu Hamza al-Mazri was involved in the support and personnel flow of terrorists. He was deported to a country where he had heritage. As for his free speech, I don't remember supporting the idea that he couldn't speak.

You went and worked in countries that have far more extensive views than those you write about. You even argued on here against the criticism on Qatar when it was received criticism for its death for homosexuality law.....and you come back here and advocate against milk toast social conservative opinions on here.

Turncoat.

Edited by Stirlingsays (28 Mar 2020 4.05pm)

Classic....we get hit with the Nazis as a weird sort of justification for his views.

The whole world outside of Europe is ethnocentric and the views you present here have been manifest there in various guises and have formed governments for decades, including to various extents this one....but because the Nazis turned up in Germany....in an extreme set of circumstances, you want to ban people from expressing views.

You'd ban the governments in Poland and Hungray then.

Abu Hamza al-Mazri was involved in the support and personnel flow of terrorists. He was deported to a country where he had heritage. As for his free speech, I don't remember supporting the idea that he couldn't speak.

You went and worked in countries that have far more extensive views than those you write about. You even argued on here against the criticism on Qatar when it was received criticism for its death for homosexuality law.....and you come back here and advocate against milk toast social conservative opinions on here.

Turncoat.

Edited by Stirlingsays (28 Mar 2020 4.05pm)

Very nihilistically philosophical.....I kind of like it.

On one level I'd agree with you.....humanism and egalitarianism have its place....for me though a secondary one.

Essentially too much of that s***e and you end with your descendants being slaves.

I've rejected that viewpoint as a betrayal of what I am.....Genes are all that are real, everything else is a concept and a form of control.

Edited by Stirlingsays (28 Mar 2020 4.22pm)

poppycock